I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse-lasagne!

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In the wake of the recent horsemeat-burger scandal, it has now been found that some frozen Findus lasagnes in the UK are 100% horsemeat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594

My feeling on this is that it is not ok to package something as beef and it's actually horse. It's obviously being done on the sly by the suppliers, so who knows what condition it's been in and what drugs the horses might have been taking which people could now be eating. What are people's thoughts on this? Should the companies have legal action against them for not monitoring their suppliers properly? And what are your thoughts on horse-meat in general?

I know I feel slightly grossed out now, as I am usually lazy on the weekends and eat frozen ready meals, so who knows what is actually in them. Then again, I am partial to the occasional chicken nugget, and those probably don't have much chicken in them either.

And how many horse-meat related jokes have you heard on the radio or read in the news today? I've heard a LOT.

Frankly, I wish the English speaking world would just hurry up and get over its horsemeat = bad taboo. Although mislabeling your product is still a scummy thing to do.

Mislabelling the product is bad and all, but I wish my fellow countrymen would shut the hell up.

It's goddamn horsemeat... People eat it all the time.

The media has been banging on about this like people were eating burgers or lasagne made out of aborted rat foetuses. It's ridiculous.

BeeGeenie:
Frankly, I wish the English speaking world would just hurry up and get over its horsemeat = bad taboo.

I don't even know why that is. I don't really make a habit of eating horses but I won't turn them down either

BeeGeenie:
Although mislabeling your product is still a scummy thing to do.

That's correct, though. If I'll be eating a horse, I'd prefer to be labelled as one. It's different meat than beef or pork and shouldn't be prepared the same way or used with the same spices/whatever as them. I've heard it's really close to deer meat, though.

<--- Yes, making the folowing statement ridiculously ironic

I do agree, I wonder why horse meat is such a taboo. Sure, they're lovely animals, but they're still made of food. Why draw the line there, of all places?

It's a question of labeling. I don't mind horse meat, I'm just not kind of getting it as a surprise. I don't eat lasange very often, though, but Christ knows what's in their fish sticks.

Fun fact; Findus is a very common name for housecats. Make of that what you will...

I think the taboo comes about because we see horses more as pets than as livestock. That's why we don't like the idea of eating cat or dog either. Eating family members is frowned upon.

On that note, here is a related editorial from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/08/no-horsemeat-please-british

Mmmmm, horse meat. Tasty tasty protein.

I did see a thing on TV about those lasagnes, actually! Some people sent in funny pictures to the One Show (I think it was the One Show, I wasn't paying full attention).

I once ate a Wild Boar burger, and that was pretty much the same as a beef burger, IMO. Those weird animal burgers seem popular at markets and stuff now, so it probably won't be long till we get a horse burger. =P

I wonder if there would have been as much of a shitstorm if it wasn't horsemeat but something like, say, Pork or Lamb.
I mean there'd be a shitstorm nonetheless since the food companies lied about what ingredients are going into their products but I'm wondering if all the fuss is being made because of the lies or because of the horse.

On a (somewhat) related note, This feels appropriate to share.

I feel this is unappropriate:

Miles Jupp:
When I was a student, living on a budget, I bought a 20 pack of... ValuBurgers. And I would've been delighted to find out that it contained something as wholesome as 30 percent horsemeat.

Eh... I really don't get what the big deal is, other than the misadvertising. I've eaten horse, aside from being a bit on the tough side, I quite like it.

Last time I ate at Burger King, I came out feeling a bit hoarse. ):

There's my input. I don't really have anything against eating horses, but then again I've never tried it. Nonetheless though, they shouldn't lie, but it shouldn't necessarily be illegal to eat a horse.

The doctor told me I should watch what I eat. So I booked tickets to the Grand National.

Deadlock Radium:
I feel this is unappropriate:

Thank you sir, for making me laugh for a good 10 minutes straight!

I'll start panicking when I they start making Cat Kebabs round here .... Horse meat I can live with.

The problem is the media have been focusing too much on the "horse meat being taboo" bit and not on the "we have no idea where this meat came from or how it got into the system" bit.

I wouldn't want to eat horse myself but plenty of cultures do so obviously horse in itself isn't dangerous in any way. HOWEVER, the products containing horse meat are pretty low quality (processed meals), the meat that goes into them in pretty low quality. Horses are expensive animals to raise even as livestock, more so than cattle, and horse meat is generally more expensive due to the more niche consumption. The horse that goes into these processed foods will definitely not be the same horse that you would get a decent steak from. For all the FDA knows it could be a dead nag the meat van found on the side of the road. Saying its safe for human consumption is ridiculous when they don't know the origin.

Combined with the fact that people have basically been defrauded as the product is obviously not as advertised, this is actually kind of important to sort out. However, I agree they need to tone down on the whole horses being our besty friends. This is not the issue.

If you think that's bad, some of their flooring is found to have lamb-in-it...

Oh, and it would be awesome if this resulted in more support for British Farmers and fewer European imports, but I don't know much about economics, so whatevs.

I cant seem to say this enough, but horse meat is a delicacy in Japan.
I would be disturbed at the fact that it was horse meat when I thought it was beef, but it is not the horse part that grosses me out.
It is the labeling.

Same way i wouldnt want to be eating whales when i thought it was tuna.

But then again, i never though SPAM was entirely good beef...

sky14kemea:
Some people sent in funny pictures to the One Show.

What, like... small horse sculptures made of lasagne? Because I'm failing to see how else a picture of lasagne can be 'funny', and related to the topic at hand.
That, or you English have a weird sense of humour. "Haha. It is a picture of ordinary lasagne, but it isn't ordinary, because it has horse in it! Hilarious!"

A lot of it is that it isn't advertised as "horse meat", it has "beef" lasagne on the box, as well as the FSA (Food standards agency) are worried about any veterinary pharmaceuticals that could have been given to the horse, the main concern being phenylbutazone, or "bute", which is an NSAID (nonsteroidal anti inflammatory drug) administered for short term treatment of pain and fever, which is commonly given to horses. Here is the section of the article that I am referring to:

"We have no evidence to suggest that this is a food safety risk,' the FSA said. But the agency confirmed tests have been ordered on the lasagne for the veterinary drug phenylbutazone.

It added that animals treated with 'bute' are not allowed to enter the food chain 'as it may pose a risk to human health'."

Here is the article this passage is taken from: http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/07/some-findus-beef-lasagne-meals-100-horse-meat-3398466/.

I am not too picky what I eat, to be honest with you, and my dad had a beef Findus crispy pancake and he enjoyed it quite a bit.

Mislabeling is BAD

Horse meat? I think I've had it once. I perfer goat to be honest.

Deadlock Radium:
I feel this is unappropriate:

Best joke so far in this thread. Well played, well played.

OT: I don't have a problem with eating horse, but when I buy beef I expect beef. However I doubt this would have been as big if they had actually used pork, chicken or lamb.

Me55enger:
The doctor told me I should watch what I eat. So I booked tickets to the Grand National.

You win this thread, although there has been a lot of horsing around and we should all get of our high horses and stop beating this dead horse, this jokes has been ridden into the ground already.

Crenelate:
The problem is the media have been focusing too much on the "horse meat being taboo" bit and not on the "we have no idea where this meat came from or how it got into the system" bit.

This all the way. I, and no one I know, have been particularly bothered about the fact that it's horse. There's no quality control there, it could have been on any sort of medicine, had any sort of disease. The most suitable analogy I can think of is between buying a burger to eat or finding one at the side of the road. They might be pretty much identical, but you wouldn't just pick up and eat found burger because you don't know who had it, where it's been or why it was left there.

Naturally I blame the French. If we named meat after what it came from there'd be no problem. But then the French came over with their boeuf and porc, and now we have beef and pork, which look and sound nothing like cow and pig. It's all the fault of the French.

Luckily I dodged the bullet, I checked the date on the lasagnes in my freezer. And they're off!

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On a serious note, I ate horse before and I know it. In the end it's just red meat, like deer.

As with most posters of this thread, I'm not against horse meat being eaten. But the horse meat in this case is unexpected horse meat that could have come from anywhere. As far as I'm concerned, any meat with an unknown source is a cause for concern. And naturally, false advertising is a terrible thing to do and I would think it reasonable for some kind of legal action to take place.

robot slipper:
In the wake of the recent horsemeat-burger scandal, it has now been found that some frozen Findus lasagnes in the UK are 100% horsemeat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594

My feeling on this is that it is not ok to package something as beef and it's actually horse. It's obviously being done on the sly by the suppliers, so who knows what condition it's been in and what drugs the horses might have been taking which people could now be eating. What are people's thoughts on this? Should the companies have legal action against them for not monitoring their suppliers properly? And what are your thoughts on horse-meat in general?

I know I feel slightly grossed out now, as I am usually lazy on the weekends and eat frozen ready meals, so who knows what is actually in them. Then again, I am partial to the occasional chicken nugget, and those probably don't have much chicken in them either.

And how many horse-meat related jokes have you heard on the radio or read in the news today? I've heard a LOT.

Lasangne? Personally, I prefer Speghetti Bologneighs!

Or perhaps some Filly Con Carni!

No worries though, at least people who ate the meat are in a stable condition!

It's a shame, really. I always liked their filly con carne.

BeeGeenie:
Frankly, I wish the English speaking world would just hurry up and get over its horsemeat = bad taboo. Although mislabeling your product is still a scummy thing to do.

Yesssssssssssssssss^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's things like this that drive me away from my English background and towards my French one. People in this country are just so silly. They don't worry that cancerous chemicals could have been used in those meats, it's just that it's from a horse that freaks people out.

It's amazing how much more you find in French supermarkets that you never would in English ones.

For me, the whole horse meat thing doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's all just meat, and I've always been one for trying as many different meats as possible. The whole taboo on eating horse meat here is, in my opinion, stupid. No, what actually bothers me is the mislabeling - if you have horse meat in your meals, bloody say so.

Baron von Blitztank:
I wonder if there would have been as much of a shitstorm if it wasn't horsemeat but something like, say, Pork or Lamb.

Did you see the shitstorm over when they supplied halal beef (I think it was beef anyway) to prisons, and it actually turned out to have pork in it. I do think the mislabeling does have something to do with it.

OT: yes the British have a differant relationship with horses than, say, the French, because we've historically used horses more closely with us than them, however, I do think the outrage is justified, because, beyond anything else, this is just false advertising.

Is it the fact it's horse meat that everyone's complaining about or just the fact it's labelled as beef? If they labelled it horse meat lasagne, would people shut up about it? I actually wouldn't mind trying it

PureChaos:
Is it the fact it's horse meat that everyone's complaining about or just the fact it's labelled as beef? If they labelled it horse meat lasagne, would people shut up about it? I actually wouldn't mind trying it

I think personally the bigger problem is there is obviously some dodgy companies with shady business practices going on in the food supply chain, the company I work for which has nothing to do with food or anything as serious (Its a plumbing and heating merchant) can track any and every item we sell back to the original supplier almost instantly. (The most it would take is a minute or two ) We need to do this sometimes because we get quality or safety issues with items from time to time so we need to be able to deal with it and the supplier quickly.

These food companies claim they can't do that which frankly is just not good enough especially when they are supplying peoples food.

sky14kemea:
Mmmmm, horse meat. Tasty tasty protein.

I did see a thing on TV about those lasagnes, actually! Some people sent in funny pictures to the One Show (I think it was the One Show, I wasn't paying full attention).

I once ate a Wild Boar burger, and that was pretty much the same as a beef burger, IMO. Those weird animal burgers seem popular at markets and stuff now, so it probably won't be long till we get a horse burger. =P

I've eaten wild boar burger too. I really liked it, it was like beef but juicier and tastier. Wonder where they get it from though, AFAIK we don't have any wild boar in Britain.

the last things i have heard about this is they are thinking it is all mob related so maybe they got fed up of scaring people putting the horse in peoples beds and just decided to put it in our food instead it just took us a wile to notice

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