Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age: Origins

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Tanfastic:
Awesome, can't wait for an AC2 one if it happens.

On that note, I wonder what we'll get next week. Assassin's Creed 2 only came out today for Aussies, so I guess that's a possibility, personally I think he'll do MW2 next week. Which will be hilarious for me.

He still hasn't done Borderlands though, I'd love for that to get ripped apart.

carpathic:
I think I will risk this purchase.

Not particularly revelatory or anything, but just sayin'

What risk is there? :P

I'd say if he's still playing it and enjoying it after 25 hours its safe to say he still actually liked the game, despite it's pitfalls.

Yep. I was really on the fence was the thing. Now I am pretty sure I will buy the game. Likely earlier rather than later, I love the armour you can get for mass effect II

Yahtzee always points out the flaws of a game. But like he said before, its the immersion of a game that always makes up for its shortcomings.

Should've gotten the PC version.

Ah well, I lol'd during the credits as usual.

so many people got suspended from the first comments! I hope I don't screw this up. ok, I want to play this game! haha

The "stop credits so I could berate the Stonking Great Game Contest winner" thing was hilarious.

But something struck me during the review: load up on quests, do all of them at once, go to dungeon, kill monsters, steal their stuff, turn in quests, rinse and repeat, that sounds remarkably like World of Warcraft, doesn't it?

Catkid906:
Okay... So I like get Dragon Age then, but I also like sex with Girls.
But which is better?

There's only one way to find out...

FIGHT!

Fantastic TV Burb reference.

OT: I could see this coming, obviously because the game had mountains of hype and I'm betting that people who bought probably have only just gotten through their first play through.

But the "Review" for the winners of the contest.
Seemed a bit half-arsed and not really worth the time it took to make them, much like some of the games that were put into the running, but the "reward" seems heavily overshadowed by the effort put in to make the games.
(Which would be the right way round, if and only if this were an after school special.)

Having actually beaten the game, I can say that its good in the way psychonauts was described as good. Simply recalling the adventures I had makes me think the game is incredible and actually fighting in those battles was hectic and exciting.

The mage origin story is, in my opinion, a lot better than the others. The game is punishes you for not being a magic fanboy...also making a warrior use taunt so that everything in the zone attacks him then making him invulnerable with a mage is too op.

The Great JT:
The "stop credits so I could berate the Stonking Great Game Contest winner" thing was hilarious.

But something struck me during the review: load up on quests, do all of them at once, go to dungeon, kill monsters, steal their stuff, turn in quests, rinse and repeat, that sounds remarkably like World of Warcraft, doesn't it?

Generalized like that maybe, but not really, mostly every quest is intricate to the story, and mostly all of them come with cutscenes and dialogue, as opposed to wow quests which are boring and no one reads.

I love Dragon age to death. Got it midnight the moment it came out and I am still playing. Beaten it twice, gotten three different endings so far, Sadly the fact that I own every bioware game made so far except for that Sonic one and anything made before Baldurs Gate gets all my opinions pushed aside for being a bioware fanboy. I am sadly. Still I found Yahtzee's Dragon age review funny as usual but incredibly lacking. I want his opinion on the characters, Endings, tacticts system, what he thought of how warped those so called "stereotypes", and what he thought about the voice acting and dialogue. Sadly he hasn't finished the game so I guess I can't complain to much It's long, time consuming, and deep as hell. So Yahtzee I implore you to do a review that goes deeper into the game in Extra punctuation or even that little site you have for yourself. If you don't I guess I'll just live wondering what could have been.

Sounds very much like the Oblivion NPC interaction system.

"Hello Nord" "Hail there Nord" "YOU ARE A NORD!"

This game does sound like something I dearly wish to invest in, but I have had a recent dry spell of games for the past month or two and it doesn't seem like the ends in sight. If Yahtzee likes it as much as his implications convey I may just have to ninja myself a copy. Que Mission Impossible music!

The generic Tolkien set lore that dictates nearly all fantasy literature needs some revamping, not because it's bad, but because redefining the standard accepted basis for fantasy lore if done well opens a whole new realm of possibility for literature, games, etc... In essence we need a second Tolkien. A new innovator of the genre.

I honestly don't know what to do about this game now. It's had good and bad reviews (admittedly mostly good or excellent), and yet most if not all of them consider it to be very similar to ME. The only thing that puts me off DA:O is that, that it is remotely similar to ME.
I hated ME with a vengeance and thought it was complete shit, so i'm unsure of what to do...

On a lighter note, thoroughly enjoyed the review and congrats to the game contest winner :)

The 7 books (about to be 8) mentioned is George R.R. Martin's book series "A Song of Fire And Ice" (better known as A Game of Thrones), in which there are no elves and only one dwarf of very real-life make. I'm suspecting they turned the warring factions of humans into different races in Dragon Age. There is supposed to be a second video game based off his books so maybe that will have a different feel. But it is said that Cyanide Games picked up the rights and they plan a RTS and a RPG. I'm not sure if they partnered with Bioware or not. But given what I've heard about the PC version perhaps it is the RTS side of it. Not sure on that.

Cyanide are making an RPG and an RTS, which seems a bit ambitious for a company whose only claim to fame are the BLOOD BOWL games (as fun as those are). BioWare said they loved AGoT and were 'inspired' by it in making DRAGON AGE, to the point of having some references to it (like the knights being addressed as 'Ser'). However, they weren't going to pony up the money for it since they decided after KotOR not to do licenses any more (unless offered tons of money by LucasArts to do an MMORPG, apparently).

Similarly, the lead designer of COMPANY OF HEROES said he loved the books as well and would be 'interested' in doing them as a game, the prospect of which (Relic doing a GoT game) got a lot of people excited until it turned out to just be an idle thought and Relic/THQ weren't going to spend money on the licence. Then it went to Cyanide and that was the end of that.

What made giving out the license a bad idea was that literally days later HBO bought the TV rights to A GAME OF THRONES. They just finished filming the pilot episode today. If it goes to series and becomes a big hit on HBO like TRUE BLOOD, then someone like BioWare or Relic would have been fifty times more likely to pick up the game rights, which of course can't now happen.

In the meantime though, there is an early release for a mod based on MEDIEVAL II: TOTAL WAR available:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=256115

The generic Tolkien set lore that dictates nearly all fantasy literature needs some revamping, not because it's bad, but because redefining the standard accepted basis for fantasy lore if done well opens a whole new realm of possibility for literature, games, etc... In essence we need a second Tolkien. A new innovator of the genre.

What books published in the last 10-15 years have you been reading? ;) No-one in their right mind does elves and dwarves any more in fantasy literature, apart from those who started out with them and are continuing to write the same series (Brooks and Feist, basically).

Let's see, we have George RR Martin as mentioned above. Very few non-human races and low magic, much more heavily based by real history. Joe Abercrombie's FIRST LAW TRILOGY and its sequel, BEST SERVED COLD, are in a similar vein, as is Patrick Rothfuss' NAME OF THE WIND and Scott Lynch's LIES OF LOCKE LAMORA series.

If you want to go in the opposite direction you have Steven Erikson's MALAZAN series, with absolutely tons of non-human races and insane levels of magic. No elves or dwarves but races like the T'lan Imass, a race of undead neanderthals who committed racial suicide and then came back in a magic ritual to pursue their ancestral enemies (who had made themselves immortal to escape them) through time.

Then you have R. Scott Bakker whose PRINCE OF NOTHING trilogy is halfway between the two. Based on real history, few non-human races (although one of those is elf-like, but the other one is a bunch of rapist space aliens and their genetically-engineered slave race) and very few magic-users, but those who do exist are very badass and can level cities.

For something a bit more out there you have China Mieville's Bas-Lag novels, beginning with PERDIDO STREET STATION. Much more technologically advanced, mixing steampunk and trains with some more traditional fantasy ideas. Lots of nonhuman races but they're more offbeat, such as a race of clockwork robots and sentient cactus-men.

Vault boy Eddie:
Haven't played the game, now I don't know what to think of it after that review. Seems interesting enough to risk buying it though.

Compare this review to reviews of games Yahtzee hates. You will find that this review is glowing. ;) Yahtzee hasn't given a game a strong pat on the back since Portal, and admits (Bioshock review) that being mean = more viewers.

So yeah, glowing review. Also, fantastic game... if you love fantasy. ;)

So it's a B-rated Tolkien copy/paste adventure huh....??

Yeah, as good as the game might be I'm also getting pretty tried of seeing the same old story same old.

And a bit annoyed too...=/

This video mirrors my sentiment. It's a well made game, and I'm enjoying the tactical side of frantic melee combat, but the setting and story are so tired and worn out. I was even hoping the music would be like the hard rock in trailers, just for variety's sake.

Zing89:

The Great JT:
The "stop credits so I could berate the Stonking Great Game Contest winner" thing was hilarious.

But something struck me during the review: load up on quests, do all of them at once, go to dungeon, kill monsters, steal their stuff, turn in quests, rinse and repeat, that sounds remarkably like World of Warcraft, doesn't it?

Generalized like that maybe, but not really, mostly every quest is intricate to the story, and mostly all of them come with cutscenes and dialogue, as opposed to wow quests which are boring and no one reads.

I definitely agree with you Zing89, but I don't think you took it far enough. This is the second time in as many weeks where I've seen someone compare DA:O to WoW. People, this comparison is flawed. I completely agree that DA:O doesn't bring anything new to the fantasy genre, but neither did WoW. Implying that WoW is some kind of originator is way off. It's just the most sucessful regurgitator.

I don't know what to make of it. Still, he's being a bit unfair: Dragon Age has surprised me because of the lack of times it gives the usual "Good", "Bad" and "Dicksh" options in talking unless you're considering in the point of view of getting influence points from your companions. I was actually delighted that, as a mage, I could say "Fuck it" in the background and stand by my friend, while in the end of it I could put all the blame on the fucking (nazis) templars, while if you're partial towards the chantry or just more stern siding with the templars seems like the good choice there. It was a nice touch that this gave me some options afterwards.

Other thing is that this game did tweak the stereotypes quite a bit, so that's not fair either. Dwarves aren't exactly noble, and they don't all have obligatory beards (a dwarf with a 9 o'clock shadow is pretty nice) while being more concerned with politics than battle. And elves are the pariahs of society, homeless, and even the ones trying to recover their glory comes off as pathetic or hopeless. Haven't seem such a spin on them since Discworld. Not to mention that there are no functional clerics (or anything like one). My favorite passtime in the game is going about dissing other people's religion, especially with the chantry (Lilliana hates me quite a bit for continually calling her crazy for hearing voices).

I thought Dragon Age was rather non-typical, really.
For instance, not a Scottish dwarf or English elf in sight (or earshot) in this world, nor are humans paragons of virtue and honor in this, thankfully.
Of course they're not all twats either, but I digress.

The world feels somewhat more believable than a small Scot, a lanky Brit and Captain McJustice running around saving the world and dumping a ring in a volcano. *Cough* *Cough*

Does this only happen to me, or does the video get stuck around the end for everyone?

(Spoiler alert level 1 for those who haven't played about 5-7 hours in)

What makes Dragon Age: Origins a "Dark Fantasy" is how brutal it is. Even someone as desensitized as you should notice that this game is not about having a happy peaceful adventure to defeat the evil brocolli king who is cruelly giving his subjects homework and chores.

The humans are killing Elves and other humans, the Dwarves are killing each other, and the Darkspawn are raping everyone. Your family dies, two members of your first questing party dies (Cut-purse and retard) your Gandal-fer, uh, grey warden master dies, your first questing village is destroyed. If it's not Elfen alienages in major cities being "purged" it's villages being attacked by zombies. Can the "Dark" still be not so clear?

I remember some games that would fill me with such joy and satisfaction after doing a quest, but not THIS one. I only find some peace at camp.

Instead of aiding the helpless ninny find his dog and bake his cake, you are instead finding the corpses of his raped family and making him a poison so he could kill himself (that is, if you convince him otherwise)

Stupid Jailbait approves +5
Mean crackwhore dissaproves -5

I have to agree with him on everything.

Yahtzee:
We're talking 100% commitment here, where every individual element can be taken out of context, and every single one can make your girlfriend call you a sad bastard.

Ironically, this game and the overwhelming amounts of fantasy entertain my girlfriend, who is a major Lord of the Rings fan, to the same degree as me, if not more so. I guess that's what they call "having your cake and eating it too". (Vague sexual reference not intended.)

Still, I guess I can see your point. Of course, the entire fantasy genre owes a huge debt to Tolkien. Without him, we simply wouldn't have the fantasy stories that we do today. And, while I believe this is something that you do not agree with, I honestly can't think up an appropriate alternative. Maybe that's the problem in itself, that everyone is so steeped in Tolkien-esque canon that they don't want to break the mold. Still, if we're trying to stretch things in that respect, Dragon Age: Origins does that better than most, showing a diversity even amongst like races (City Elves versus Dalish Elves, Noble Dwarves versus Common Dwarves) that I haven't seen other fantasy fiction establish. That, in itself, is something to stand Dragon Age: Origins apart from the "standard fantasy fiction".

SilentRuss:
(Spoiler alert level 1 for those who haven't played about 5-7 hours in)What makes Dragon Age: Origins a "Dark Fantasy" is how brutal it is. Even someone as desensitized as you should notice that this game is not about having a happy peaceful adventure to defeat the evil brocolli king who is cruelly giving his subjects homework and chores.

The humans are killing Elves and other humans, the Dwarves are killing each other, and the Darkspawn are raping everyone. Your family dies, two members of your first questing party dies (Cut-purse and retard) your Gandal-fer, uh, grey warden master dies, your first questing village is destroyed. If it's not Elfen alienages in major cities being "purged" it's villages being attacked by zombies. Can the "Dark" still be not so clear?

I remember some games that would fill me with such joy and satisfaction after doing a quest, but not THIS one. I only find some peace at camp.

Instead of aiding the helpless ninny find his dog and bake his cake, you are instead finding the corpses of his raped family and making him a poison so he could kill himself (that is, if you convince him otherwise)

Stupid Jailbait approves +5
Mean crackwhore dissaproves -5

Oh, and this. This entire post sums up the other part of my thoughts. Bravo, sir.

After watching this review and reading the comments, I wonder about two things. Firstly, what Yahtzee et al think "dark fantasy" is (that is, if DA:O is not "dark fantasy", what is "dark fantasy"?), and secondly, if Yahtzee chose to kill the child.

I believe that ought to be vague enough to avoid a spoiler tag.

There is a manual for cocksucking ?

I need to get a copy for my G/F!

Damn you get handy hints on this site.

Oh the review was fun too... Ill save the money I was gonna spend on Dragon Age and buy the manual for her birthday I theeenk.

Hah... He played on the X-box.

Love it, both the game and the review, good to see your still going strong, and its even better to see that some good games are coming out at last, before DA:origins and Borderlands it was hard to find a new game to play, let alone what you have to do, find it, play it, then think of content to abuse on it, but you held on, and you made it, keep going strong Yahtzee :)

So, did Yahtzee finish another review. And having no further concern, he and his companions sought adventure in the West. Many games and feuds did Yahtzee fight. Honor and fear were heaped upon his name and, in time, he became a king by his own hand... And this story shall also be told.

Good fun review. Picking up Dragon Age for PS3 tomorrow, cant wait!!

i find yahtzee review very interesting, but one thing i don't quite get is what is with all the cluster fucking in games lately. Also i'm surprised he is still playing the game.i figured by now he would have been like me a little bit and spoke about how he has had enough of this twaddling around bullshit and going back and forth and staring at npcs who have a personality similar to to a piece of sandpaper with sour candy sprinkled on them

It's a shame he reviewed the console version, I think he would have enjoyed the PC version much better.

Funny as always though.

Booze Zombie:
I thought Dragon Age was rather non-typical, really.
For instance, not a Scottish dwarf or English elf in sight (or earshot) in this world, nor are humans paragons of virtue and honor in this, thankfully.

well the usual 'stereotypes' are that the elves are highly spiritual and nature-balanced, the dwarves are grumpy but hard-working, and humans are powerhungry bastards (with the notable exception of the Hero and his King, who of course only wants peace, everywhere, which can only be achieved by making the whole world one kingdom, his, and, hmm, wait...)

Tjebbe:
well the usual 'stereotypes' are that the elves are highly spiritual and nature-balanced, the dwarves are grumpy but hard-working, and humans are powerhungry bastards (with the notable exception of the Hero and his King, who of course only wants peace, everywhere, which can only be achieved by making the whole world one kingdom, his, and, hmm, wait...)

Really? In this elves are seemingly racist (in response to racism, mind you) and moody, dwaves are drunken and almost Japanese in their culture and humans are... violent.
Are you talking about the blonde king or the adviser guy?
If the blonde one, he was your typical young and angry character, if the adviser... well, you got me there.

But it's not just the story an characters, it's how the story is told, how deep the story goes and how deep the characters can be.

Mind you, I've got a bias, because I loved this game.

25 hours and not done... I'm never gonna finish that game with my schedule x.x

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