The Big Picture: Once Upon a Time in The Future

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ironlordthemad:
And now in my eyes Bob is a bigger, more selfish ass than before.
Seriously?
Your pissed that they are cutting the funding for a Space Program that has been in decline for a while now and has directly cost the lives of several of of your fellow human beings, so they can use the money where it will be needed in the future.
I wonder if you will have the same viewpoint if the economy of the US goes right in the shitter, causing various companies, say for example The Escapist, to fire their employees and then suddenly your out of a job because Obama put more money into sending someone into space than into fixing the economy. I doubt it.
Keeping a failing space program running is not the responsible thing to do in a global recession.

The most annoying thing about this is that your being stupidly short sighted. Your a child in his high chair looking at the candy and saying "I WANT IT NOW!" when your parents are struggling to put the potatoes on the table to keep you healthy because they can't afford it. They didn't say, "No thats it forever, no more space travel."
They simply said "We don't want to burn the cash right now, others can pick it up later if the time is right."
Getting through the boring potatoes will make the sweet candy all the tastier and it's why grown ups order the main course of the meal first. Hopefully some day you'll be able to sit at the grown up table, but with each hate speech you post I realise we wil be waiting a while longer for you to pull up a chair, which is a shame, because when you open your mind to a serious discussion, your a great champion of logic and reason.

So how about growing up Bob?
Grow up and get over your childhood, like other healthy adults, no one has a perfect childhood but we get over it as we grow up, its part of being an adult. Granted, some have have more to get over than others, but the ones that do get over it have a better life because of it.
Grow up and get over your idea of walking on Mars because you saw it in a movie as a kid and it was your only escape from your childhood.

Even if your going to claim that your childhood was darker and more traumatic than anyone can possibly imagine, do you really think you should be in the public eye giving out your opinion which has obviously been warped by your childhood?

Your fellow humans are dying of disease and famine all across the planet you share with them. Surely a narcissist like you would want to be the better man, rise above those that made your childhood your personal hell and make the planet a better place. But no, you just have your selfish dream and you are less of a person because of it. And you think you can just blow it off because people were a dick to you as a kid and now you think its your turn to get even?

Part of me hopes this video is a joke.

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

The first one of these I've actually wholeheartedly agree with. Peace on Earth < cities on Mars HANDS DOWN. Peace on Earth implies Mankind overriding our genetic disposition for conflict in all its forms, negative and positive. Cities on Mars implies Mankind taking advantage of the positive aspects of that same disposition (competition, problem-solving, striving for victory despite all obstacles) and using it to further ourselves as a species.

Cities on Mars? Can anyone says "blank slate upon which we can test-run new forms of law and government currently untestable due to the current status quo laid down by existing societies"?
Whenever a given population picks up and moves to settle in a new frontier, the first thing they do is try to create a new government that strives to get away from the very things that made the old regime obsolete and pushed the pilgrims to get away in the first place. Only THIS time, there's no natives to get in the way when we try to build our new nation.

Peace on Earth? Peace on MARS is by far way more obtainable than peace on Earth. Too bad we'll probably blow ourselves up down here before we ever get up there.

dathwampeer:

Nomanslander:

dathwampeer:

Truth be told. If they are anything like us. They would see our species as a possible threat. And exterminate us before that threat is realised. Or maybe they'd be more like the creatures in skyline.

Wait, did you just bring up skyline as a noteworthy example?

Ewww!

LoL

Do you know why people don't like that film... Because we lost.

I'd say that film is the best expression of 'what a real alien invasion might be like' that we've ever had.

Unexpected, hopeless and in the end, unsatisfying.

No last minute hill billy heroics. No dues ex machina flu plot-lines. No underdog military exploits.

The film is majorly underrated... aside from that whole bullshit at the end.

I think it has more to do than just that.

Honestly, I'd love to see a movie where we're doomed from the start, but done well. Not have it made that way just as an after thought in order to be different.

The only alien movie that's ever come close to this was Steven Spielberg's War of the Worlds, but of course he fucked up the third act by getting repetitive and silly (and casting Tom Cruise and Dakota Fanning, but then again I would want to watch them die in a film like this so go figure), and of course the Deus Ex Machina sealed the deal.

The problem with this movie is it's NOTHING BUT repetitive and silly. How many times were we going to see them run back into that damn penthouse and so we could deal with pandering D rated dialogue filler? And. What made them think we'd be soooo interest in their story when the cast is just as annoying, talentless, but yet pretty as any realty show cast you'd see today on network television? I mean the cast was only one step above Jersey Shore douchbaggery, and we're suppose to care about these fuckwards?

With:

-bad characters
-repetitive
-bad writing
-bad pacing
-total rip off of every other alien invasion movie ever made.

And you're just not going to come out with a good movie no matter how you see it. If I ever get the morbid taste of watching the end of our kind. I'll just watch War of the Worlds again and completely skip the third act.

How...how did I miss this!?!!!?!?!?!

Shit...honestly, at first I thought, "Well...we need to conserve our budget" but that's no excuse for funneling progess towards other shit. This makes me sad.

Most people seem to not care or dont know about this subject right now.

You will hear them crying when China or Europe gets the 1st base on the moon or will land on mars the 1st.

Now the next "big step for mankind" will rely on other nations and not on the US.

Alias42:
I understand your desire to want to live in Star Wars more then in the real world. I'm also glad that most politicians don't share that dream.

I understand your inability to see that the world can be a better place than it is. I really wish less people shared it.

Seriously though, Star Trek is pretty full of shit, but to deny the importance of space is essentially to deny the entire universe and everything thing in it. Letting other people have it while we go around picking fights and worrying about immediate profits is something that we are going to regret. A lot. Probably in my lifetime.

ZephrC:

Alias42:
I understand your desire to want to live in Star Wars more then in the real world. I'm also glad that most politicians don't share that dream.

I understand your inability to see that the world can be a better place than it is. I really wish less people shared it.

Seriously though, Star Trek is pretty full of shit, but to deny the importance of space is essentially to deny the entire universe and everything thing in it. Letting other people have it while we go around picking fights and worrying about immediate profits is something that we are going to regret. A lot. Probably in my lifetime.

i agree. the universe is more diverse than we know it is. people forget the universe is not limited to earth's minerals and flora. there could be untold amounts of minerals and chemicals that can benefit us.

Nomanslander:

dathwampeer:

Nomanslander:

Wait, did you just bring up skyline as a noteworthy example?

Ewww!

LoL

Do you know why people don't like that film... Because we lost.

I'd say that film is the best expression of 'what a real alien invasion might be like' that we've ever had.

Unexpected, hopeless and in the end, unsatisfying.

No last minute hill billy heroics. No dues ex machina flu plot-lines. No underdog military exploits.

The film is majorly underrated... aside from that whole bullshit at the end.

I think it has more to do than just that.

Honestly, I'd love to see a movie where we're doomed from the start, but done well. Not have it made that way just as an after thought in order to be different.

The only alien movie that's ever come close to this was Steven Spielberg's War of the Worlds, but of course he fucked up the third act by getting repetitive and silly (and casting Tom Cruise and Dakota Fanning, but then again I would want to watch them die in a film like this so go figure), and of course the Deus Ex Machina sealed the deal.

The problem with this movie is it's NOTHING BUT repetitive and silly. How many times were we going to see them run back into that damn penthouse and so we could deal with pandering D rated dialogue filler? And. What made them think we'd be soooo interest in their story when the cast is just as annoying, talentless, but yet pretty as any realty show cast you'd see today on network television? I mean the cast was only one step below Jersey Shore douchbaggery, and we're suppose to care about these fuckwards?

-bad characters
-repetitive
-bad writing
-bad pacing
-total rip off of every other alien invasion movie ever made.

And you're just not going to come out with a good movie no matter how you see it. If I ever get the morbid taste of watching the end of our kind. I'll just watch War of the Worlds again and completely skip the third act.

If you add all of these up you're not going to getting a good movie, no matter how

I disagree. The cast may have been a bad choice. But the characters where believable and the pacing was perfect.

People dying unexpectedly and without resolution.

The only thing that screwed that film up was the scene at the end where his brain somehow retains his own consciousness. That's all.

Oh and maybe The guy who played the security guard. Batista from Dexter. His character was the only one that was really forced. With the cliché speeches and what not.

Aside from that. They killed people at the perfect time. They didn't dip down for cheesy resolutions and they paced it realistically. Which is far more than you can say for War of the worlds. That film didn't suffer from a case of the 3rd act woes. It was tripe from start to finish.

The funny thing about space is that most of it is shit. I really think we're got better things to be doing the mucking about in it. I've never understood why people are so fascinated by mars, I mean if you don't like it on earth, what makes you think you're going to like a planet that's at least 100 times more determined to kill you?

Vetinarii:

messy:

The Stonker:

You should be ashamed.
For if space is the final frontier, the big end which never ends, utopia.
For in space then you can find everything and anything, space is where almost all fields of science come and go hand in hand.
I personally love biology, but what will happen when we will have overpopulated the world and we need a new place to live on? Well...To space! But unfortunetly the nation which has the best scientists,research and such, just decided to cancel the project.
I would have cancelled loads of other things instead, to research space travel.
Yes, I love space and all science.

Ashamed? I don't think so.

Yes space is a very nice dream. But with the way things are its just not plausible at the moment. Over population I imagine was going to get to us long before we have sustainable bases on places like Mars. The distance alone makes any sort of mission. Also if we keep thinking "on to the next planet" why would we bother looking after this one? I prefer a much more sustainable living philosophy.

You should be ashamed...Biology isn't a real subject... Also... we should be putting more effort into designing bigger weapons and fighting wars to keep the population down... SRS FACE GUYS

Now in fact I want to ask what make DNA the future? I see GM as a good thing WHICH WE CAN DO ALREADY! But what else are we really looking at? The future is not really likely to be DNA is it?

mic1402:

Vetinarii:
One reall problem... Calcium leaking... bones can't cope with the low gravity on the moon... or on the way to Mars... Yeah so when ever they think of doing this those that go up will never be able to come back down...

there is a reason for astronauts being REALLY fit you know. what do you think the point of the ISS was?

Yeah but the more time spent the less likely the trip back will succeed.

Well we have sequence the Genome but there is still loads we don't know how to do. We still can't make out own enzymes or other proteins, if we could crack the "protein code" as it were all sorts of processes could be done more efficiently. And by make our own proteins I mean designed from scratch where we pick a function we want, e.g break down alcohol, and we design the entire amino acid sequence, make the gene and then grow it in bacteria and have it function in solution. Also sure we can "do GM" but we can get it much better, we can make crops give us vaccines and more vitamins but these are still in the early stages.

We have the potential to even control when crops grow and what triggers them to produce flowers plus seeds. This sort of biology is taking what we have and making it more suited to ourselves. The space thing just seems to be.... hmm not going to well on this planet best be moving on, in my opinion. With the mission to mars etc.

If we want to alleviate hunger, poverty, famine, unemployment, etc., it'd probably be better to actually invest in space exploration and colonization, rather than throw the money at corrupt dictatorships. Expansion into space would provide a litany of new markets ripe for exploitation. We'd have new science and technological industries popping up not only in the first world countries and industrializing nations like China and India, but it might also spur industrial growth in the third world. Plus, if space colonization ends up being successful, those colonies will become immigration havens for poverty-stricken peoples searching for new opportunities.

In short, if we really want to alleviate world poverty, then we have to create new markets and opportunities for those people. There's no riper place than space, right now. And I also mean "alleviate," not "solve." There's no currently feasible way to solve the problem of poverty and famine, and taking money from the space program to throw at those issues will neither "solve" them, nor even "alleviate" them.

Secondly, there's no better catalyst for innovation than necessity. We need not divert funds from space exploration/colonization to spend solely on environmental and energy issues, because two of the major obstacles of colonization are problems of environment and energy. Since things in space have to go long periods of time without refueling/resupplying, how do we make things more efficient? How do we deal with inhospitable climates? How may we best utilize the limited sources of energy there are in space? Dealing with these problems will spur possibly more innovation in energy/environmental studies than if we just looked at the problem from down here.

hurricanejbb:

messy:
In my opinion the age of space exploration is over. The new science frontier, in my heavily biochemistry studying view, is the human genome and genetic technology. Look at a DNA molecule, that's the future.

Interesting you bring that up, as it turns out biochemistry and genetic engineering may actually play a role in future space exploration. Perhaps both fields have a brave new frontier ahead of them.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/A-Good-Mix-Genetic-Engineering-and-Space-Exploration-164135.shtml

Yeah this is a good point and makes sense. But the problem with space exploration with the hope of colonisation is that we seem all to ready to abandon this planet. I know if humanity survives long enough we will need new planets but in my mind it makes sense to master what we have instead of just jumping ship.

Also his suggestion of altering someone genetically like that would likely have to be done to the embryo so each cell contained the required genes. Which sounds pretty cool but there are ethical ramifications of this, since can we breed someone for out own purposes without them getting a say.

However I suppose it could be done with a genetically altered virus that integrates itself into our genome (liker the Herpes/cold saw viruses - two similar viruses) but you'd have to ensure it infected every cell.

Finally this is from Venter, who's artificial genome was impressive but I think he went a bit far to say he'd made an artificial organism. Since he didn't make the cell membrane. And we know that if you put foreign DNA into a cell it will be able to utilise it, he just did it (impressively) on a larger scale.

ZephrC:

Alias42:
I understand your desire to want to live in Star Wars more then in the real world. I'm also glad that most politicians don't share that dream.

I understand your inability to see that the world can be a better place than it is. I really wish less people shared it.

Seriously though, Star Trek is pretty full of shit, but to deny the importance of space is essentially to deny the entire universe and everything thing in it. Letting other people have it while we go around picking fights and worrying about immediate profits is something that we are going to regret. A lot. Probably in my lifetime.

I hardly see how assing about in orbit is going to make the world a better place. People seem to have this wierd romantic notion about the subject of space travel and they really need a reality check. Traveling to different starsystems, (even the ones that are really really close) is still about as physically possible as going back in time.
As far as the improvement of man kinds knowlegde of the universe is concerned there are alot of better things we could be spending our time doing.

Ersanven:
I personally don't care. I think shutting down the space program was one the better ideas of the Obama administration. We don't have the technology yet to get anywhere interesting in a life time and cities on Mars or the Moon would be wildly impractical. I think we should spend more energy developing the Earth than dicking around in space. I'm not gonna go on some spiel about war and the hungry and sick, because we'll always have those things no matter how far we advance. All I'm saying is unless we develop Faster Than Light Travel we should leave our Sci Fi nerd fantasies by the wayside. This Earth is all we have for now and if we waste our precious energy up in the big nothing, our problems down here will bite us in the ass. I'm sure anyone can agree it's just idiotic to look up when there is a fire at your feet.

I don't understand this argument. It seems to be that "We can't get there yet so we shouldn't be trying to." My question is how are we ever going to be able to do these things if we're not working toward them as a goal. If we're not trying to develop the tech to go somewhere, it will never be developed.

Peh, i've read some comments and i've got the general idea. Most people seem to think its because there is not any competitors in the space race. Ludicrous as china, japan, Russia and the EU are still in it. China has made massive leaps and bounds in there progress. So no it will not be corporate companies or America launching meetings with aliens because one America suffered a major depression people and they cant afford it at this time to see to space travel. And very few companies have the money to have there own space program, and if it will not provide a large profit the chances are they will not start the program themselves.

You will see corps moving in on it once its up and running and viable for profit. Chances are though we will have the EU or china or India, even maybe japan meeting our first extra terrestrials. And personally i don't mind that, you've become a fat blotted child America, hissy fitting about what not for shit all reasons. Your culturally behind in many ways, you still havnt managed to fix poverty in your nation, you still have extreme racism and you still have you little bitches about religion and your one true god.

Your nation will turn to decadence and stagnation soon, like the roman empire, you've reached your peak and now another nation will take the stage as the world leader. Likely china, or India and if Russia joins the Eu then the EU as well.

Its time you realize you've alienated half the world and your no longer the leaders of liberty and freedom. Your now in the eyes of the world the leaders of corporate greed, bias media and intolerance to others, and most prominently ignorance.

Yeah damn right im flamming on you america.

Really bob normally i can kinda of see where your going on about but this one i totally disagree.

America is falling apart the economy is screwed and everything is going down the drain.It not about getting peace on earth and helping feed everybody at the moment america is struggling to make enough money to keep it a float.If america started funding mass space programs the country would be in so much debt and have serious problems.

So i understand why scraping a program that will "waste" money to make the money to climp out of a recession that half the world is in makes sence.As having a city on the moon wont be helpful when the country is in peices.

But if you want america using its money on random things instead of fixing the problems the country has your not the "bad guy" your an idoit as it seems like you have forgot the world economy is in terrible shape.

So governments have to use all available funds to keep there countries running

Archangel357:

JoeyMousepadd:
I don't understand how asking for proof of where Obama was born is racist. You have to be born in the US to be president, no matter what color your skin is.

You could argue that isn't been asked and answered, or is no longer in question. That's fine. Argue that the burden of proof has been met. No problem. But racist for asking? That's just plain lazy. "I don't like that you ask those questions, so I'm going to just call you a racist, and hope that you go away."

Sure, and every WHITE president has had a bunch of mouth-breathers asking whether he was born in Sweden, Scotland, or Croatia.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen.

But the first time a black man takes office, it JUST SO HAPPENS... Sure, buddy. Lemme guess, you start every other sentence with "I'm not a racist, but..."

In fairness, some of us ask of every politician that they prove they are who they say they are. As for me, if his citizenship was good enough for Harvard and the student loan people, its good enough for me.

On to the other point, I share Bob's feeling about space. I was very, very sad to see it die such a quiet death here in the states. I guess most Americans have forgotten all the wonderful things the space-program gave the world. Velcro, microwave-ovens, high energy burst communications, modern computer technology, better jet engines, medical science, geologic science, climate science (for better or worse), advanced metallurgy to name a few. What is sad to me is that when compared to other 'inventions' and 'discoveries', those that come from the space program cost less per creation than those created by 'divine inspiration'. Alas, I fear now our future choices for space exploration will be a British music baron and the iShip from Apple.

All i can say is, my country the USA, is broke, we don't have the money to fund massive space programs anymore because the working class isn't working anymore and all our politicians care about anymore is giving the rich more tax breaks, so they can move even more money into other countries and into the stock market "dead money" accounts which help the economy none the least....

If movie bob wants to get upset at something, get upset at that.

Cameron Sours:

LondonBeer:

Professor Murder:

Yeah, I just checked it after posting. Lesson learned.

Thats OK we all make mistakes. Of course most of those mistakes can be avoided by checking what we are about to type long before its typed.

This is basically the first time I've done the spelling/grammar N*zi thing, but the time frames represented by 'about to type' and 'long before its typed' do not match up.

Also: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail89.html. Scalawag.

I think youll find its implied that I am asking the individual to think before typing. I find myself broadening the category of individual to respondees.

Also: Dodgy looking link. You've misspelled scallywag.

googleboy:

Archangel357:
[quote="JoeyMousepadd" post="6.246471.9044324"]I don't understand how asking for proof of where Obama was born is racist. You have to be born in the US to be president, no matter what color your skin is.

You could argue that isn't been asked and answered, or is no longer in question. That's fine. Argue that the burden of proof has been met. No problem. But racist for asking? That's just plain lazy. "I don't like that you ask those questions, so I'm going to just call you a racist, and hope that you go away."

Sure, and every WHITE president has had a bunch of mouth-breathers asking whether he was born in Sweden, Scotland, or Croatia.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen.

But the first time a black man takes office, it JUST SO HAPPENS... Sure, buddy. Lemme guess, you start every other sentence with "I'm not a racist, but..."

Actually Gordon Brown received alot of flak for being Scots.

I'm very happy they cut the space program instead of the things they normally do. Like, say, education. And lets face it, the space program was only created for a stupid dick waving contest between the US and Soviet Union, there wasn't any practical application to any of it.

What would we do on Mars? Have a picnic and go home? Motifs like terraforming and colonization either assume Earth as a whole is stable enough to support such endeavors or the planet is no longer habitable and we need to find another planet. Neither are a reality right now and if a country can't effectively support its own people and wars, why would it try to make it to the stars? We haven't even figured out how to make things go the speed of light, which would be the only way we could even begin to flirt with the slim possibility of finding other life forms in the galaxy (just because they're out there doesn't mean we'll ever find them) and then, again, how would it help anyone at all?

You get PAID to review movies to nerds and gamers and you complain about this, Bob? Sounds like you could use a little more perspective. Shit sucks right here in the US, we've got a criminally poor education system and a bloated, ineffective government diseased with lobbyists and religious fanatics. We haven't even begun making progress on getting away from fossil fuels and you still want to aim for the stars? Get real.

Ultratwinkie:

ironlordthemad:
And now in my eyes Bob is a bigger, more selfish ass than before.
Seriously?
Your pissed that they are cutting the funding for a Space Program that has been in decline for a while now and has directly cost the lives of several of of your fellow human beings, so they can use the money where it will be needed in the future.
I wonder if you will have the same viewpoint if the economy of the US goes right in the shitter, causing various companies, say for example The Escapist, to fire their employees and then suddenly your out of a job because Obama put more money into sending someone into space than into fixing the economy. I doubt it.
Keeping a failing space program running is not the responsible thing to do in a global recession.

The most annoying thing about this is that your being stupidly short sighted. Your a child in his high chair looking at the candy and saying "I WANT IT NOW!" when your parents are struggling to put the potatoes on the table to keep you healthy because they can't afford it. They didn't say, "No thats it forever, no more space travel."
They simply said "We don't want to burn the cash right now, others can pick it up later if the time is right."
Getting through the boring potatoes will make the sweet candy all the tastier and it's why grown ups order the main course of the meal first. Hopefully some day you'll be able to sit at the grown up table, but with each hate speech you post I realise we wil be waiting a while longer for you to pull up a chair, which is a shame, because when you open your mind to a serious discussion, your a great champion of logic and reason.

So how about growing up Bob?
Grow up and get over your childhood, like other healthy adults, no one has a perfect childhood but we get over it as we grow up, its part of being an adult. Granted, some have have more to get over than others, but the ones that do get over it have a better life because of it.
Grow up and get over your idea of walking on Mars because you saw it in a movie as a kid and it was your only escape from your childhood.

Even if your going to claim that your childhood was darker and more traumatic than anyone can possibly imagine, do you really think you should be in the public eye giving out your opinion which has obviously been warped by your childhood?

Your fellow humans are dying of disease and famine all across the planet you share with them. Surely a narcissist like you would want to be the better man, rise above those that made your childhood your personal hell and make the planet a better place. But no, you just have your selfish dream and you are less of a person because of it. And you think you can just blow it off because people were a dick to you as a kid and now you think its your turn to get even?

Part of me hopes this video is a joke.

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

I know humans will never be perfect, infact I didn't mention anything about waiting until humans being "perfect" before we look at space again. I was talking about the economy being in a better state.
Your right, space holds alot of potential, but its only potential until we can use it, unlimited energy is great... but how are we going to use it if we get it tomorrow?
That type of power is something we have to build towards, but thats something the world can't fund right now.

As for me telling moviebob to grow up, I wan't him to get over his childhood because its holding him back, listen to his rant again, does he mention the scientific reasons to go into space or does he ask how will we explain ourselves too the science fiction greats?
I know which one I heard.

Your arguing on the part of science, which is great, I'm honoured to be part of the same forum where people consider science over dreams, but moviebob isn't arguing on the part of science and most of the people defending him are, they just follow the enemy of my enemy route and attack the people who want him to be more realistic about going into space.

And this is where I'm internally conflicted, because I hate bob's rant about how we should be doing it because space is a cultural step forward into the stuff of dreams but I want to go into space for the science and want to back the "lets do it for science" crowd, the people in the same camp seem to be where most of the flak at me in this thread is coming from.

As for the other guy who pointed out the scientific benefits of going to space, I agree, alot has been done for humanity by going into space, but im think that eventually we could have come up with that and kept our feet on the ground. But that would be discussing heinsight which is pointless.

Sometimes, albeit rarely, I am reminded of how vast the space outside our planet and the scope of it all is. The agonizing feeling of being so small in the universe isn't nearly as painful as the realization that we aren't even attempting to explore it.

Here here, Bob.

I don't get it, even if you're not a bleeding heart think about it logically, Earth has so much more resources than mars, why colonize a hostile environment like the moon or mars that's so fucking far away when we have a non hostile environment we have barely begun to fill!?

Ultratwinkie:

ironlordthemad:
And now in my eyes Bob is a bigger, more selfish ass than before.
Seriously?
Your pissed that they are cutting the funding for a Space Program that has been in decline for a while now and has directly cost the lives of several of of your fellow human beings, so they can use the money where it will be needed in the future.
I wonder if you will have the same viewpoint if the economy of the US goes right in the shitter, causing various companies, say for example The Escapist, to fire their employees and then suddenly your out of a job because Obama put more money into sending someone into space than into fixing the economy. I doubt it.
Keeping a failing space program running is not the responsible thing to do in a global recession.

The most annoying thing about this is that your being stupidly short sighted. Your a child in his high chair looking at the candy and saying "I WANT IT NOW!" when your parents are struggling to put the potatoes on the table to keep you healthy because they can't afford it. They didn't say, "No thats it forever, no more space travel."
They simply said "We don't want to burn the cash right now, others can pick it up later if the time is right."
Getting through the boring potatoes will make the sweet candy all the tastier and it's why grown ups order the main course of the meal first. Hopefully some day you'll be able to sit at the grown up table, but with each hate speech you post I realise we wil be waiting a while longer for you to pull up a chair, which is a shame, because when you open your mind to a serious discussion, your a great champion of logic and reason.

So how about growing up Bob?
Grow up and get over your childhood, like other healthy adults, no one has a perfect childhood but we get over it as we grow up, its part of being an adult. Granted, some have have more to get over than others, but the ones that do get over it have a better life because of it.
Grow up and get over your idea of walking on Mars because you saw it in a movie as a kid and it was your only escape from your childhood.

Even if your going to claim that your childhood was darker and more traumatic than anyone can possibly imagine, do you really think you should be in the public eye giving out your opinion which has obviously been warped by your childhood?

Your fellow humans are dying of disease and famine all across the planet you share with them. Surely a narcissist like you would want to be the better man, rise above those that made your childhood your personal hell and make the planet a better place. But no, you just have your selfish dream and you are less of a person because of it. And you think you can just blow it off because people were a dick to you as a kid and now you think its your turn to get even?

Part of me hopes this video is a joke.

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

Fact remains that while the Space Shuttle was designed to be cheaper than conventional rockets, it actually was about five times as expensive per flight. Biggest waste of money of the last century. At least the Russians were smart enough to ditch their shuttle project. The Shuttle project has held back space exploration, not helped it.

Still a shame that the Space Program has been put on hold. I want to be able to live on the moon.

Sonic Doctor:

Night Knight:
Its very hard to beleive that america as a whole doesnt truly care anymore about anything but money. Coming from a proud canadian I cant help but see all of this just by gosip and hearing it aloud just how bad the USA has gotten. I cant help but agree with everything Movie Bob has said in this video in almost everything he has done regarless either its about movies or a topic. Im brand new to this site but I've been watching this sites videos for a long time. Thank you Movie Bob if you read this, your words are very powerful and I only wish good luck in your fortune. I have a feeling if you were to take over Obama's place things in America would probebly get better since you actually have a real thought prossess which the American government doesnt. Again i could be wrong about America all together but one thing is for sure, America needs to be reset. Thank you again Movie Bob, you are a true roll model =)

Well, it is the people that voted for Obama that are to blame. He said during his campaign that he was going to cut funding that NASA was using on projects like the new and improved shuttle program.

They dismissed it, they voted him in, and now we aren't going to the Moon again, or to Mars.

Personally I dont even think that you can really blaim the people, again Im not up to date with how they actually vote for a president but it being the USA government that is in charge of it, they can litterally do whatever they want in the USA and we cant do anything about it. Ok i know this topic is overused but the Twin Tower incident is my biggist example and leave that were it is. My point being that they can do what they want and we as people are none the wiser, I mean seriously, George W. Bush, -_- enough said.

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

ironlordthemad:
And now in my eyes Bob is a bigger, more selfish ass than before.
Seriously?
Your pissed that they are cutting the funding for a Space Program that has been in decline for a while now and has directly cost the lives of several of of your fellow human beings, so they can use the money where it will be needed in the future.
I wonder if you will have the same viewpoint if the economy of the US goes right in the shitter, causing various companies, say for example The Escapist, to fire their employees and then suddenly your out of a job because Obama put more money into sending someone into space than into fixing the economy. I doubt it.
Keeping a failing space program running is not the responsible thing to do in a global recession.

The most annoying thing about this is that your being stupidly short sighted. Your a child in his high chair looking at the candy and saying "I WANT IT NOW!" when your parents are struggling to put the potatoes on the table to keep you healthy because they can't afford it. They didn't say, "No thats it forever, no more space travel."
They simply said "We don't want to burn the cash right now, others can pick it up later if the time is right."
Getting through the boring potatoes will make the sweet candy all the tastier and it's why grown ups order the main course of the meal first. Hopefully some day you'll be able to sit at the grown up table, but with each hate speech you post I realise we wil be waiting a while longer for you to pull up a chair, which is a shame, because when you open your mind to a serious discussion, your a great champion of logic and reason.

So how about growing up Bob?
Grow up and get over your childhood, like other healthy adults, no one has a perfect childhood but we get over it as we grow up, its part of being an adult. Granted, some have have more to get over than others, but the ones that do get over it have a better life because of it.
Grow up and get over your idea of walking on Mars because you saw it in a movie as a kid and it was your only escape from your childhood.

Even if your going to claim that your childhood was darker and more traumatic than anyone can possibly imagine, do you really think you should be in the public eye giving out your opinion which has obviously been warped by your childhood?

Your fellow humans are dying of disease and famine all across the planet you share with them. Surely a narcissist like you would want to be the better man, rise above those that made your childhood your personal hell and make the planet a better place. But no, you just have your selfish dream and you are less of a person because of it. And you think you can just blow it off because people were a dick to you as a kid and now you think its your turn to get even?

Part of me hopes this video is a joke.

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

Not to try and throw a wrench into anything, but Movie Bob is and was only stating his opinion, usually the person saying to the other "Grow up" isnt seeing the details behind anything. It is unfortunet that we as a human race are to pre-occupied with everything down on Planet Earth, people as a whole pritty selfish and all in all... doomed. The individual (Movie Bob for one) is shunned when said his opinion, people, if anyone needs to "Grow up" is the people who take his opinion as fact. I can hardly beleive that people can take something that has had a fixed meaning for hundreds of generations and have turned an "Opinion" into a means to lash out at someone because people are too afriad that what the other is saying is against them. I swear this whole thing started in America because it has its "Your either with us or your a terrorist" smell all over it. Everywhere else either just doesnt care what people have to say or can just take an opinion as what it has been writen down as, an opinion

Opinion - noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Opinion

this is only one site that I found, but seeing this is basically proof enough that people just need to calm down and start thinking past what they think by trying to see all the angles of something so small/big as an opinion.

Night Knight:

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

Not to try and throw a wrench into anything, but Movie Bob is and was only stating his opinion, usually the person saying to the other "Grow up" isnt seeing the details behind anything. It is unfortunet that we as a human race are to pre-occupied with everything down on Planet Earth, people as a whole pritty selfish and all in all... doomed. The individual (Movie Bob for one) is shunned when said his opinion, people, if anyone needs to "Grow up" is the people who take his opinion as fact. I can hardly beleive that people can take something that has had a fixed meaning for hundreds of generations and have turned an "Opinion" into a means to lash out at someone because people are too afriad that what the other is saying is against them. I swear this whole thing started in America because it has its "Your either with us or your a terrorist" smell all over it. Everywhere else either just doesnt care what people have to say or can just take an opinion as what it has been writen down as, an opinion

Opinion - noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Opinion

this is only one site that I found, but seeing this is basically proof enough that people just need to calm down and start thinking past what they think by trying to see all the angles of something so small/big as an opinion.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you quoted me. I get your argument, but it seems totally unrelated to the quote of me.

Whether or not something provides unlimited energy is not an opinion......

And your view of America is pretty bigoted, the people of the country don't feel that way, in fact we're sick of the fucking airport security measures put in to prevent terrorism

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

ironlordthemad:
And now in my eyes Bob is a bigger, more selfish ass than before.
Seriously?
Your pissed that they are cutting the funding for a Space Program that has been in decline for a while now and has directly cost the lives of several of of your fellow human beings, so they can use the money where it will be needed in the future.
I wonder if you will have the same viewpoint if the economy of the US goes right in the shitter, causing various companies, say for example The Escapist, to fire their employees and then suddenly your out of a job because Obama put more money into sending someone into space than into fixing the economy. I doubt it.
Keeping a failing space program running is not the responsible thing to do in a global recession.

The most annoying thing about this is that your being stupidly short sighted. Your a child in his high chair looking at the candy and saying "I WANT IT NOW!" when your parents are struggling to put the potatoes on the table to keep you healthy because they can't afford it. They didn't say, "No thats it forever, no more space travel."
They simply said "We don't want to burn the cash right now, others can pick it up later if the time is right."
Getting through the boring potatoes will make the sweet candy all the tastier and it's why grown ups order the main course of the meal first. Hopefully some day you'll be able to sit at the grown up table, but with each hate speech you post I realise we wil be waiting a while longer for you to pull up a chair, which is a shame, because when you open your mind to a serious discussion, your a great champion of logic and reason.

So how about growing up Bob?
Grow up and get over your childhood, like other healthy adults, no one has a perfect childhood but we get over it as we grow up, its part of being an adult. Granted, some have have more to get over than others, but the ones that do get over it have a better life because of it.
Grow up and get over your idea of walking on Mars because you saw it in a movie as a kid and it was your only escape from your childhood.

Even if your going to claim that your childhood was darker and more traumatic than anyone can possibly imagine, do you really think you should be in the public eye giving out your opinion which has obviously been warped by your childhood?

Your fellow humans are dying of disease and famine all across the planet you share with them. Surely a narcissist like you would want to be the better man, rise above those that made your childhood your personal hell and make the planet a better place. But no, you just have your selfish dream and you are less of a person because of it. And you think you can just blow it off because people were a dick to you as a kid and now you think its your turn to get even?

Part of me hopes this video is a joke.

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

technically no. the chemical and gases are so abundant its practically free energy.

Ultratwinkie:

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

technically no. the chemical and gases are so abundant its practically free energy.

Well yeah, it's free.....but it's on the moon.

You do realize it's not exactly cost free to go get it right?

ZephrC:

Alias42:
I understand your desire to want to live in Star Wars more then in the real world. I'm also glad that most politicians don't share that dream.

I understand your inability to see that the world can be a better place than it is. I really wish less people shared it.

Seriously though, Star Trek is pretty full of shit, but to deny the importance of space is essentially to deny the entire universe and everything thing in it. Letting other people have it while we go around picking fights and worrying about immediate profits is something that we are going to regret. A lot. Probably in my lifetime.

I don't deny the importance of researching space. I don't deny the importance of researching anything. But science is something that has to be done rationally, and this argument is mostly based on emotion. Of course space is important, but why the hell send humans there? We know what's on Mars: nothing that is of use. Sending them there would be exciting as hell, sure, but it's a big pricetag just for some excitement. I mean: going to the moon was just a dick-measuring contest. The moon sucks! It's cold, there is no oxygen, and you have to shit in a vacuum cleaner.

Besides: "letting other people have space"? What the holy hell? Are you suggesting that the sole people who are entitled to THE LARGEST AND MOST EMPTY THING WE KNOW, something that is literally all around is, are the Americans?

Ultratwinkie:

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

oh for fuck sake the "we are not ready yet guy". news flash! HUMANS WILL NEVER BE READY NOR PERFECT. PEOPLE WILL KILL PEOPLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GIGANTIC ASSES LONG AFTER "UTOPIA" HAS ARRIVED. space is the FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE WITH UNTOLD POTENTIAL. hell on our moon there is A CHEMICAL THAT PROMISES UNTOLD ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT CAN SUPPLY US INDEFINITELY (helium-3 not to mention gases that will be used after helium 3 is obsolete). yet YOU want tell the people who want space travel to be possible to "grow up"? the potential of space can fix all of our problems. we have reached the point of no return and staying on earth is A DEATH SENTENCE TO THE ENTIRE RACE. sure people die here and there but PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU TAKE. how the FUCK is unlimited energy selfish? how is knowledge gained about our stance on the universe selfish? how the HELL is discovering new minerals that can help us selfish? space benefits the whole human race and its the "we are not ready crowd" that holds us BACK. staying on earth will only destroy us. you are aspiring to become perfect when perfection is out of our grasp. we need space. its either go into space and thrive, or stay on earth, stagnate and die. no exceptions. no alternatives.

by your logic we should have never colonized the Americas because we "weren't perfect" in Europe. grow up, discovery was driven by the shitty life we had back home. why do you think everyone left for America when they heard it was better over there? why leave space for "perfection"? and doom us to isolationism and ignorance only to die off when the ticking time bomb in our DNA goes off. its a real threat, look it up.

this post may seem mean to you, but saying someone who wants to go space "childish" is the one that is short sighted. Earth will kill us. We need to leave the cradle one day. You cant stay in it forever or the sun will go supernova and kill us all. That isn't counting space threats like Asteriods hitting us and killing humans the same way it killed the dinosaurs.

We need space, Earth wont last forever. It also fixes a lot of our problems faced today. You want to fix the problems on earth? well space and its benefits fixes most of it yet you marginalize it.

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

technically no. the chemical and gases are so abundant its practically free energy.

There is this big shiny thing in the sky called the sun. We can get a shitload of energy from that without having to pick it up 400.000 kilometers away

danpascooch:

Ultratwinkie:

danpascooch:

Unlimited energy? Come on, that's a gross exaggeration and you know it

technically no. the chemical and gases are so abundant its practically free energy.

Well yeah, it's free.....but it's on the moon.

You do realize it's not exactly cost free to go get it right?

well you do need to invest money to make money. you can't exactly get product for free right? well not legally anyway. the estimated cost for helium 3 would make it more valuable than gold. even a mere pinch of the stuff would be extremely valuable. it may be "expensive" but that cost to get there would be blown away from the sheer value of the product.

LondonBeer:

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I think youll find its implied that I am asking the individual to think before typing. I find myself broadening the category of individual to respondees.

Also: Dodgy looking link. You've misspelled scallywag.

I am truly a sad and terrible person. Thank you for enlightening me as to my errors. I shall now go cry in my bathtub till the water turns cold. (Also, the spam detection system detained my comment so I didn't get a chance to test the link [I'll remember to use 'Preview' in future]. Scalawag is an accepted alternative spelling) (Any grammatical or spelling inconsistencies in this post are intensional)

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