No Right Answer: This Generation's "Star Wars"

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This generations Star Wars? So in other words what's this generations most over-hyped, self-raped, fan wank, geek property.

Panzervaughn:
For it to be 'this generations star wars' I think there has to be certain criteria.
-There have to be people cosplaying it
-it has to be quoted to death
-it has to give rise to some sort of slave-leia level fetish.
-you have to be ashamed of it a large % of social circles in public

So, i think this generations 'Star Wars' is, and i weep for those damned souls, Jersey Shore.

-In my old uni there was a society called Dumbledore's Army, all I know about them was they wore red and gold scarves.

-That one is a catch for HP, it doesn't have it's Yoda or it's "I am your father" moment. As far as I know anyway. There's not one seriously memorable moment that I can think of, that sounds bad but what I mean is there isn't one unifying moment in Harry Potter. It's got plenty of moments but not one that makes every single fan tingle.

-My friend once pointed out that watching a marathon of Harry Potter movies is dangerous because it's hard to pinpoint exactly when you're allowed to start checking out Hermoine. (Note, it's better if you notice that that point has passed you by rather than being premature about it). So there is that, it's like someone found a way to combine Russian roulette and paedophilia. Do actual people want to have sex with any of the things from Jersey Shore?

-If you're old enough to be part of generation y and a fan of Harry Potter then you should be ashamed, at least a little bit. I don't mean that in a bad way, just in the same way I won't mention my comic collection to people who I may want to have sex with.

canadamus_prime:
This generations Star Wars? So in other words what's this generations most over-hyped, self-raped, fan wank, geek property.

Oh, Dragonball Z then.

Daystar Clarion:
Sorry Dan, your attempt at an English accent gave me cancer.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

I'm so sorry. I never meant to hurt any one. Guess it's back to the whipping tree with me.

Firefilm:

Daystar Clarion:
Sorry Dan, your attempt at an English accent gave me cancer.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

I'm so sorry. I never meant to hurt any one. Guess it's back to the whipping tree with me.

Whipping won't be sufficient, I'm afraid.

I'll get the nipple clamps and the weasel.

Firefilm:

Daystar Clarion:
Sorry Dan, your attempt at an English accent gave me cancer.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

I'm so sorry. I never meant to hurt any one. Guess it's back to the whipping tree with me.

Man, the Wishing Tree's brother is kind of a dick.

Spot1990:

canadamus_prime:
This generations Star Wars? So in other words what's this generations most over-hyped, self-raped, fan wank, geek property.

Oh, Dragonball Z then.

Tragically enough I can't argue with that. However DragonBall Z has nothing on Star Wars.

Congratsm Chris!
And LoTR obviously takes the cake!

Spot1990:

-That one is a catch for HP, it doesn't have it's Yoda or it's "I am your father" moment. As far as I know anyway. There's not one seriously memorable moment that I can think of, that sounds bad but what I mean is there isn't one unifying moment in Harry Potter. It's got plenty of moments but not one that makes every single fan tingle.

And what memorable moment of comparable value does Lord of the Rings have?
That's right!

That's why the LOTR movies beat all. And they will also outlast both Harry Potter and the new Twilight movies with The Hobbit coming out after both series have run their course :P

Lord of the Rings does not count. Book required

I'm going to say the LOTR movies myself. And since we're on a gaming site, I'll pose the question this way: Which one has the better games? I know I prefer the LOTR ones personally.

draythefingerless:

awsome117:
I'll defend the star wars prequels another time, as I have something far more true and even more hateful to say.

This generations "Star Wars" is Twilight. As much as I hate and detest Twilight, I can't think of a movie/book series that has caused more of an uproar and "re(de)volution" since Star Wars. Yes Harry Potter is fantastic and I do enjoy them (even though I'm not a fantasy guy) but Twilight seems to be the more dominate presence here.

Would say more but class time.

no.

Twilight is actually a symptom of the impact of Harry Potter. Twilight exists and is famous because of the Harry Potter effect. Harry Potter has a theme park. A THEME. PARK. It is part of pop culture now IN EVERY PART OF CULTURE. Twilight is just infamously bad. It just got a following with a specific very small section of the population. Dont kid yourself, Twilights fans are actually the minority.

Regardless, Twilight has made a cultural impact greater than Harry Potter (unfortunately). Yes Harry has a theme park (which is awesome by the way, anyone who hasn't been there should go) but didn't change our culture or anything. It just told a really good story. Harry Potter didn't change anything about witches and wizards, but Twilight changed (or gave the appearance) of redefining certain mythologies (even if they were bad). It has made a (almost cult like) following much in the way of star wars (god I hate that sentence) and giving way to a new breed of audience viewers.

To me, it seems Twilight has made more of a cultural impact on this generation than anyone else.

You either have die-hard fans of it, or people who flat-out hate it. There is almost no middle ground for Twilight and Star Wars (The originals anyway).

JaceArveduin:
I'm going to say the LOTR movies myself. And since we're on a gaming site, I'll pose the question this way: Which one has the better games? I know I prefer the LOTR ones personally.

But Lord of the Rings = Star Wars, they were popular in the same time and have survived that time.

That game and those films would not have existed without the books.

Harry Potter was the breakout hit of _this_ generation we were the one true generation because the books aged with us. It didn't have the same fantasy world in my opinion, it was aiming at something non Star Warsy but the way people react to Harry Potter, any girl you know who has read, all the harmonians on the internet. That makes it Harry Potter

Prequels aside, I'd say Harry potter is this generations Star wars. LotR has been around for a long time, so it would be its initial year of release's star wars (or rather, star wars was its generations LotR).

Clankenbeard:
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In reading this thread, why exactly doesn't doesn't Warner Brothers start a Harry Potter MMO? Seems like low hanging fruit.

I dont think HP sets itself up for it well. with LotR, everyone wants to an elf or dwarf, or watever, with star wars everyone wants to be a Bounty Hunter, a Jedi, a Sith, someting. With HP everyone wants to be a wizard, but once you become a wizard you want to be THE wizard. So basically everyone would have to be either good or evil, and would have to be the same three characters. Unless you do some kinda future thing after harrys kids have kids, but I dont think that would do well since you wouldnt have Harry himself as a selling point.

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GaltarDude1138:

Spot1990:

-That one is a catch for HP, it doesn't have it's Yoda or it's "I am your father" moment. As far as I know anyway. There's not one seriously memorable moment that I can think of, that sounds bad but what I mean is there isn't one unifying moment in Harry Potter. It's got plenty of moments but not one that makes every single fan tingle.

And what memorable moment of comparable value does Lord of the Rings have?
That's right!

That's why the LOTR movies beat all. And they will also outlast both Harry Potter and the new Twilight movies with The Hobbit coming out after both series have run their course :P

So... when the hobbit comes out and LotR does exhaust its source material its going to be just like Harry Potter.

Cause the only reason the hobbit is coming out is because it didt come out and people were looking for something to get that LotR money again in a failing economy. there's a very real possibility we'll see anther twilight movie based on that off shoot book she wrote about some vapire that I think ended up dying in one of the movies.

Or like the Narnia movies. They're only doing the ones the kids are in, so thats... thats something like I think three books that they're completely missing out on (I know theyre missing out on the first one, and a boy and his horse. tey may allude to the seventh one in the last movie they make as a way of tying things up, but I dont think you'll see a whole movie about the last battle).

and actually, you could say that HP is better than LotR, simply cause they DID make all the movies in a realtive close time of release, while the Hobbit they had to sit on and say "eh... I dont know if this is really worth it".

1990, I was born in the midst of this generation Y. Do I think Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings or Prequel Star Wars are my generation's Star Wars? NO! The Prequels are the horrid offspring of what the previous generation created. There are way better candidates. Besides, I don't want to think of my idea as This Generations "Star Wars" but more of This Generation's "Cultural Phenomenon." And Prequels doesn't qualify.
Harry Potter could work but I argue Lord of the Rings works better. Why? Yes, the books predate Star Wars, but you damned yourself Chris with a point you made. Dungeons & Dragons was based off of Lord of the Rings and it's world. D&D was created in the 80's (ish) and continues to have a strong following. We also have the movies as well. But I argue there are better examples of Cultural Phenomenons for my generation. here are some of them with brief reasons why:

Alien (series)... and by extension, Predator - This is probably my number one choice because it was released in the early 80's. It had comics and crossover comics with DC and Marvel (i think). It spawned videogames with Alien vs. Predator. It made more movies with Alien vs. Predator. Not only that, but you will hear numerous references to Aliens in a number of games and other movies. And if anything other than a film series can be used as our cultural phenomenon, it'd be games.

Toy Story (series) - A little closer to my agegroup, but we'll see what the masses think. The human character, Andy, and I grew up at pretty much the same rate. When he was a kid playing with his toys, so was I. When he went off to college, so did I. This was Pixar's premier film, essentially, and it allowed them to make many more amazing films. The story is amazing. It's the best trilogy ever (or one of the best ever). I'd say this is another excellent candidate.

Back to the Future - Speaking of amazing trilogies! BttF is another great trilogy that was released in the mid-late 80's that many people still go back and watch because of how great it was. Arguably, not as big a boom as Star Wars or the other two I mentioned, but another noteworthy candidate.

Terminator - Released in the 80's and 90's the Terminator series is another big one that people loved. It is referenced and parodied quite often. Not to mention it is probably one of the few things in Schwarzenegger's career he can look back on without feeling any guilt.

If you have to choose a Generation Y Cultural Phenomenon, please make it one of these. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are so far off target.

SilverUchiha:
1990, I was born in the midst of this generation Y. Do I think Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings or Prequel Star Wars are my generation's Star Wars? NO! The Prequels are the horrid offspring of what the previous generation created. There are way better candidates. Besides, I don't want to think of my idea as This Generations "Star Wars" but more of This Generation's "Cultural Phenomenon." And Prequels doesn't qualify.
Harry Potter could work but I argue Lord of the Rings works better. Why? Yes, the books predate Star Wars, but you damned yourself Chris with a point you made. Dungeons & Dragons was based off of Lord of the Rings and it's world. D&D was created in the 80's (ish) and continues to have a strong following. We also have the movies as well. But I argue there are better examples of Cultural Phenomenons for my generation. here are some of them with brief reasons why:

Alien (series)... and by extension, Predator - This is probably my number one choice because it was released in the early 80's. It had comics and crossover comics with DC and Marvel (i think). It spawned videogames with Alien vs. Predator. It made more movies with Alien vs. Predator. Not only that, but you will hear numerous references to Aliens in a number of games and other movies. And if anything other than a film series can be used as our cultural phenomenon, it'd be games.

Toy Story (series) - A little closer to my agegroup, but we'll see what the masses think. The human character, Andy, and I grew up at pretty much the same rate. When he was a kid playing with his toys, so was I. When he went off to college, so did I. This was Pixar's premier film, essentially, and it allowed them to make many more amazing films. The story is amazing. It's the best trilogy ever (or one of the best ever). I'd say this is another excellent candidate.

Back to the Future - Speaking of amazing trilogies! BttF is another great trilogy that was released in the mid-late 80's that many people still go back and watch because of how great it was. Arguably, not as big a boom as Star Wars or the other two I mentioned, but another noteworthy candidate.

Terminator - Released in the 80's and 90's the Terminator series is another big one that people loved. It is referenced and parodied quite often. Not to mention it is probably one of the few things in Schwarzenegger's career he can look back on without feeling any guilt.

If you have to choose a Generation Y Cultural Phenomenon, please make it one of these. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are so far off target.

all the franchises you said excluding toy story, are an 80s moment. star wars was released in the late 70s, early 80s. Generation Y is the generation that is born in the 90s and lives to this day. 1990-present. basically, all your options were born like a couple years after star wars. except toy story. and while memorable movies, toy story didnt impact the culture of the world. maybe your world, but not the world at general. i cant think of a thing they changed. HP changed a lot. it reinvented hollywood, reinvented book reading, reinvented teenager and kid idols. and it did it now, not when star wars came out.

DnD was invented in the early 70s and has ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, been around. it didnt appear out of nowhere in the mid 90s and revolutionize anything. the biggest cultural phenomenon of GENERATION Y cant be LOTR, as good as it is, thats not what matters here. it matters the impact it had in our world in the last 20 years.

Firefilm:
This Generation's "Star Wars"

CULTURALLY speaking:

Lord of the Rings is more like this generation's Star Trek. There are plenty of people who enjoy the movies if they happen to be on... but the ones who seek it out are a particularly rabid, but relatively small fan base. Those who love it do so fiercely, and most others give it a polite nod.

Harry Potter had the mainstream appeal of Star Wars. But above all else, it had the sense of, "I grew up with those stories." The merchandise was everywhere, the costumes, the conventions, the huge lines for midnight openings.

STRUCTURALLY speaking:

Lord of the Rings is more like Star Wars. It's one long story told in three parts. They're following with a prequel. Heroes and villains rise and fall. It gives us more memorable moments and quotable characters specifically because of its more compact and concentrated presentation.

k-ossuburb:
You're all wrong, it's the Matrix trilogy.

...trilogy?

darknight910:
Avatar: The Last Airbender anyone?

I thought M. Night Shamalamadingdong killed that forever.

Oh and, the generation after Gen Y -- might be Gen i, because I don't think they can keep up the X, Y, Z progression, because obviously Gen Z is teenage zombies. (At least I hope they can't.)

Rodrigo Girao:

k-ossuburb:
You're all wrong, it's the Matrix trilogy.

...trilogy?

Really. I wish people would stop spreading the lie that there was more than one Matrix movie. (Also, Highlander.)

But there was a second The Matrix movie. It was called The Animatrix.

Personally, my "Star Wars" was Ghostbusters.

The proton pack was my lightsaber, and ECTO-1 was my Millenium Falcon.

Harry potter has the cultural impact, that's this gen's Star Wars

This Generation X'er says "Bad Luck" ;)

Oh, and the Baby Boomers put forward Bullitt, The Italian Job and Breakfast at Tiffany's. Don't really think they had trilogies back then.

Quote of the week of the YEAR.

Pretty sure Kyle is gonna take this one home. What encapsulates our generation better than an unimaginative murder of what looked good only through the lenses of nostalgia?

k-ossuburb:
You're all wrong, it's the Matrix trilogy.
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The Matrix craze died down in 2004-2005 since both sequels were kinda not good. And The Matrix came out in 1999 - so it's not Gen Y.

I would agree that Gen Y's Star Wars is the Twilight series. Now, take your suicide capsules.

Happy Birthday, Dan!

Honestly, between those two, I'd say Harry Potter better fits the description of Generation Y's "Star Wars". I love Lord of the Rings and don't really care about Harry Potter, but Harry probably has more cultural significance than Frodo.

You guys read the comments don't you? We asked for a 3 way debate back when Dan first appeared and now you're giving us one. Not to mention, just putting Dan in more of these videos seems to suggest that you read the comments, since we also asked for that, too. In that case, I'll just point out that I always look forward to these videos. They make the rough work day on Thursday worth while.

darknight910:
Avatar: The Last Airbender anyone?

Yeah, that was a great show. Doesn't quite fit the description, though.

A TWIST ENDING!!!!!!!

So the argument is "The Star Wars Prequels sucked, therefore Generation Y...sucks?" That's harsh.

Shit just got serious.

Harry potter hands down

1. many of us LITERALY grew up with it, and were the corresponding age of the main charachters and the target audience

2. its fucking HUGE big enough to rival starwars..and EVERYONE could like harry potter, nerds, jocks, teenage girls its mass apeal is massive

This generation sucks.

k-ossuburb:
You're all wrong, it's the Matrix trilogy.

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I could go on, but I think I've made my point, if you're looking for "this generation's Star Wars" look no further than The Matrix trilogy because it's all there, whether you like it or not, it's all there.

I wish that were so, but the follow-on films didn't really live up to the promise of the first. The Matrix moved special effects forward but it was eclipsed pretty quickly by Lord of the Rings, and those guys did it with a no-name effects shop in New Zealand using TRS-80's or something. And while imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, the truth is everyone gets parodied these days, and in terms of copying techniques, the only real innovation to come out of the series is time dilation. And this is from the guy who is enough of an apologist that he bought the Blu-Ray super pack with all the extra crap included.

No, Gen-Y's Star Wars, unfortunately, is Avatar. Aside from being the biggest movie since (groan) Titanic, and being the first movie to really legitimize the recent 3D movie trend, Avatar pushed "live-action" CGI over the Rubicon. Previously you would shoot a movie in a real location and drop in CGI effects (something they were doing all the way back with Star Wars). Avatar achieved a complete reversal: now the movie location is entirely CGI and the live actors are the ones getting "dropped in". That "inversion" of the use of CGI in filmmaking, in my view, is the clear demarcation line for the current generation between movies that came before it and movies that will come after it.

And as a side note, Star Wars is actually Generation X's Citizen Kane, so there's that.

I have that Two Towers Box Set :D. Hours of extras for the win. Looking forward to a three-way two parter!

darknight910:
Avatar: The Last Airbender anyone?

That hasn't really made a huge impact the way the original Star Wars did. It has a lot of dedicated fans, but it's not one of those things everyone knows about like Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings (and a lot of the people who weren't fans of the series just know the fucking terrible movie).

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