Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man

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HumpinHop:

medv4380:

HumpinHop:
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*old man yells at cloud*

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You're talking like this butchered Spiderman instead of just telling a similar, but different story, which is exactly what I was looking for. I don't believe Superman has to be exactly one way and stick with the exact same character traits; I really enjoyed Superman: Earth One even though it tinkered with a few things. I understand if you are looking for a more rigid story, but that's just a difference between us that doesn't warrant an attack like that.

Because this is a hatchet job to the character. His banter with the bad guys is off and instead of funny they went for the vengeful. Instead of learning responsibility from the death of his uncle he "learns" it from something else. If anything Peter got worse from the death of his uncle and not better. Overall Peter is to aggressive and confrontational to be Peter. Confrontations with Flash are supposed to be accidental not deliberate. Lizard himself is messed up and all we got was a villain of the month club member. When it's bland to the point I could have replaced him with Doc Oc, Professor Warren, or any other Spider-man scientist villain and get the same exact story it's bad.

The only good that can come of this is that maybe it will kill the franchise enough that Sony wont want to make any more.

So speaking of the movie gods, what would they look like? I really want to know this for some reason.

maninahat:

Do you even know what film reviews are for? We use their opinions to help form our own. Just what is the point of listening to a reviewer if you don't listen to them? Movie Bob here has just saved me £10 - he's done his job.

You can listen to them without adapting their opinion right off the bat. For all you know, you might absolutely adore this movie. In my case, the issue isn't so much taking the opinions of reviewers into account...it's taking *one* reviewer's opinion into account. Did you know this movie currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 73%, because some reviewers are actually liking it? Why not listen to what they have to say before blindly jumping on the bandwagon?

Well bob, you have your opinions but no one I have meet or talked to feels as vehemently about this movie as you do. I have the suspicion that this is one of those cases where you have decided how you feel about a movie before you have seen it, and make up your reasons for it along the way. You make good points however but I'm still going to see this movie to see if I feel the same way.

On the one hand, I do object to any story done mostly for business ledgers. Yet the other reviews I've read say that, for what it is (a reboot on a trilogy only a few years done with), it's actually not bad. I actually think that Spidey's quips in the movie trailers are more in line with his comic-book character than the quiet Toby Maguire version.

I actually have to agree with the dissenters here, Bob. While I haven't seen the film yet, I plan to. Your review has the reek of bias and your anger seems extremely excessive. 95% of the time, I support your views (though we frequently don't agree on movie taste, and don't get me started on ME3), but this is the first time I felt like you weren't being a real critic.

Sounds like they took parts of the origin story of Ultimate Marvel universe Spider-Man and jammed in a few of the most recent developments in the main comics without bothering with any of the previous stories so vital to those elements.

I guess it's time to break out the rum.

EDIT: I doubt I could hate it more than the previous three though, if it is as bad as Bob claims.

I think that I will still see this movie. I want to form my own opionen. Rotten Tomeatoes say it have 74% ratings so it can't be bad? It is the worst thing that have happen to journalism since forever acording to bob! Ratings are the sword for the devil!
https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/220257304845623298
(Yes, that is his real tweet)

Well I didn't agree with you on Green lantern so you comparing this to that is all I need to know to go watch this movie.

PhunkyPhazon:

maninahat:

Do you even know what film reviews are for? We use their opinions to help form our own. Just what is the point of listening to a reviewer if you don't listen to them? Movie Bob here has just saved me £10 - he's done his job.

You can listen to them without adapting their opinion right off the bat. For all you know, you might absolutely adore this movie. In my case, the issue isn't so much taking the opinions of reviewers into account...it's taking *one* reviewer's opinion into account. Did you know this movie currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 73%, because some reviewers are actually liking it? Why not listen to what they have to say before blindly jumping on the bandwagon?

Yes, for all I know I might enjoy Spiderman. I could hate it too. That is why I trust critics who's opinions and body of work I am familiar with, instead of a percentage of faceless reviewers I know nothing about. I pick familiar reviewers because I can then contrast them with my own opinions. I don't usually agree with Bob's opinions, but I know where to place them. That is more than can be said for a vague concensus of strangers I can't trust. Jim, please help me out here.

Cheery Lunatic:

TheFederation:
first one more day, then spiderman 3, then spectacular spiderman being cancelled, then the stupid ultimate spiderman, and now this?
someone up there really hates spiderman

Have you seen the movie? It's actually pretty good.
Most of the reviews have been positive as well.
The movie is pretty damn close to the comics as well. So I'm not sure about this "some up there really hates Spider-Man."

OT: Saw it, loved it. Great aesthetics, amazing acting from everyone. The Lizard was kind of disappointing, but the story was told so well and the characters were represented so well, I ended up forgiving it. Also, Garfield was a GREAT Peter, he actually had some snark, something Tobey (or more like Raimi) forgot.

And I'm sure people have already been going on about this but Emma Stone's Gwen Stacey was infinitely better than Kirsten Dunst's melodramatic Mary-Jane.

Movie Bob obviously really wanted to hate this movie, and refused to see it in any other way. Soulless? Most complimented on how well the leads worked together, and how emotional their interactions were. Whatever Bob, I always took your reviews less seriously than I did ZP.

I haven't seen the movie, I was going from Bob's opinion, which is turning out to be false. it seems that everybody else who saw the movie says that it's good, while everyone who says it's bad hasn't actually seen it (including myself)

Wow.

I haven't seen the movie, but... well, I've never seen a critical rant build up so steadily for so long and then result in such a predictable opinion. Bob, if you want to go search my post history you'll see plenty of respect, agreement and often understanding disagreement, but this one... eh, it raises some red flags.

Indeed, I was often wondering if we were watching the same trailers when you complained about the suit or the parents as a plot point for this film, but now it turns out that those happen to be the problems the film has, even in the face of generally positive reviews elsewhere. I mean, I'm not saying that it can't happen, but you seem to be the only critic out there claiming that this movie is aping Batman Begins, or even that it's trying to be "dark and gritty". As others have pointed, all the "grit" in here seems to be a straight lift from Ultimate Spider-man, not Batman Begins, down to specific shots.

So... yeah, not saying that you're wrong, because I don't have a reference (I'll go watch and come back, maybe), but I can tell you that going "it's hard to separate the nerdy preconceptions about the back-end of a movie from the product itself" only to then go on a massive rant about fairly nerdy points that we know for a fact you had preconceived before you watched the film does not induce a lot of trust.

So while we disagreed on whether Zack Snyder should or should not be banned by a court of law from coming within a mile of a device with the ability to record moving images (he should) and I was fine with that, you have me oddly rooting for this flick to be terrible just so I can keep my respect for you intact. I like your stuff a lot, it's thoughtful and entertaining, and I have a full quota of ranting nerds. So here's hoping Spider-Man sucks (never thought I'd say that).

MacNille:
I think that I will still see this movie. I want to form my own opionen. Rotten Tomeatoes say it have 74% ratings so it can't be bad? It is the worst thing that have happen to journalism since forever acording to bob! Ratings as the sword for the devil!
https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/220257304845623298
(Yes, that is his real tweet)

You know, he's totally right. It's clear the collective opinions of society have only shown that none of us know what we really like and don't like. In fact, everyone in the world should be told which movies they can and can't see, and we should put people like Bob in that position so that we'll only watch what he wants us to watch.

In fact, while we're at it, let's just purge freewill from the collective consciousness all together. It's clear we have no idea what the fuck we're doing. Thank god for Bob.

TheDrunkNinja:

MacNille:
I think that I will still see this movie. I want to form my own opionen. Rotten Tomeatoes say it have 74% ratings so it can't be bad? It is the worst thing that have happen to journalism since forever acording to bob! Ratings as the sword for the devil!
https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/220257304845623298
(Yes, that is his real tweet)

You know, he's totally right. It's clear the collective opinions of society have only shown that none of us know what we really like and don't like. In fact, everyone in the world should be told which movies they can and can't see, and we should put people like Bob in that position so that we'll only watch what he wants us to watch.

In fact, while we're at it, let's just purge freewill from the collective consciousness all together. It's clear we have no idea what the fuck we're doing. Thank god for Bob.

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I like the barometers. If I want to know if a movie is good or shit, I want to see what most critic said about it, same with games. They are not the bane of the entertainment journalism as he say it is.

maninahat:

PhunkyPhazon:

maninahat:

Do you even know what film reviews are for? We use their opinions to help form our own. Just what is the point of listening to a reviewer if you don't listen to them? Movie Bob here has just saved me £10 - he's done his job.

You can listen to them without adapting their opinion right off the bat. For all you know, you might absolutely adore this movie. In my case, the issue isn't so much taking the opinions of reviewers into account...it's taking *one* reviewer's opinion into account. Did you know this movie currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 73%, because some reviewers are actually liking it? Why not listen to what they have to say before blindly jumping on the bandwagon?

Yes, for all I know I might enjoy Spiderman. I could hate it too. That is why I trust critics who's opinions and body of work I am familiar with, instead of a percentage of faceless reviewers I know nothing about. I pick familiar reviewers because I can then contrast them with my own opinions. I don't usually agree with Bob's opinions, but I know where to place them. That is more than can be said for a vague concensus of strangers I can't trust. Jim, please help me out here.

Oh, I definitely agree that you shouldn't just look at the percentage and scores and leave it at that. But I've found you gain a lot more information on the state of a movie by listening to multiple critics from both sides of the argument. It paints a vivid picture of what works well and what doesn't, and once you have said picture you can compare it with your own tastes and preferences to get a clear idea if its worth your money. Listening to just one side will only leave you jaded in the end.

Besides, how else does a reviewer gain your trust if you decide to never, ever listen to them? It's amazing you started listening to any of them at all in that case.

TheDrunkNinja:

In fact, while we're at it, let's just purge freewill from the collective consciousness all together. It's clear we have no idea what the fuck we're doing. Thank god for Bob.

Indeed. It's important to note as well that Bob isn't concerned with trivialities such as providing an honest critique, he's here to save cinema.

So yeah, take this with a grain of salt. It's not really that bad. I might even say that it's fairly good. Yes, it sucks that it was made for corporate reasons, but I can't say that I didn't enjoy watching it last night. Pacing /is/ a little awkward at some points and Spidey being a wiseass kinda comes out of nowhere and is dropped suddenly (sadly, because it was actually pretty funny), but this movie is in no way unforgivable shit.

It's been pretty well established that Bob ceases to be a rational being when critiquing comic-related things, so I'm not gonna credit this with an in-depth response. I'd just like Bob to know that nerd-rage is not useful to me. I don't need to listen to a movie critic for that. Get off your pedestal and tell me something useful. What's wrong wit the movie? Other than everything, obviously. And going through a checklist of things-that-are-in-movies which are wrong isn't helpful either.

Jesus. You're really no better than a YouTube commenter sometimes, Bob.

PhunkyPhazon:

maninahat:

PhunkyPhazon:

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Oh, I definitely agree that you shouldn't just look at the percentage and scores and leave it at that. But I've found you gain a lot more information on the state of a movie by listening to multiple critics from both sides of the argument. It paints a vivid picture of what works well and what doesn't, and once you have said picture you can compare it with your own tastes and preferences to get a clear idea if its worth your money. Listening to just one side will only leave you jaded in the end.

Besides, how else does a reviewer gain your trust if you decide to never, ever listen to them? It's amazing you started listening to any of them at all in that case.

Listening to a few critics is fine, and Bob is just one of a couple I go to for opinions - I just rely on knowing which ones to listen to, and when. For instance, I would disregard Bob's opinion on an upcoming Expendables movie, but perhaps I would rely on a Half in a Bag instead, because I have an idea of what movies these reviews like or dislike.

As for finding new reviewers, it is mostly accidental. They'll usually be making some other show I like, and start reviewing stuff on the side.

While I haven't seen this movie yet this video feels like nothing but a fanboy rage. I'll go watch the movie and decide for myself. I really doubt it can be that bad, and bob proved in the past to overreact, as he did over MiB3.
BTW, thinking that if you won't buy a ticket to this movie will help somehow to return spider-man back to Marvel is extremely wrong. Even if this movie will be a major flop, and it won't, Sony will never give up such an important franchise as spider-man.

i am sorry to say that you are wrong bob i just saw it and thought it was better than the first spiderman, i know that i might get some hate for that but all the points bob makes are way to harsh, i am not sure if its bobs love for the comics or if he just had a bad day but you should take your opinion out of the equation when reviewing films and be more objective

Bob, I absolutely love it when you rage, please make it a recurring series!
And, I know this wasn't your intention, but now I've just got to see this movie. I was gonna skip out on it cuz I was sure it'd be tortuously average, but now I've just got to see it, in a 'so bad it's good' kind of way.
Going through some of the comments, it appears it's more in line to my original thought. I still want to see it though, so I can decide for myself.

scotth266:
Strangely enough, opinions about this Spider-Man movie appear to be all over the board. Some reviews say it's great, others say it's mediocre, and some (like Bob here) say it's piss-poor. I'm betting it'll wind up being just sort of okay, doing some things right and others wrong. I'll wind up seeing it myself, if only because I like Spider-Man.

I have seen that as well. It would interesting to see if those were based on whether they are reviewing the movie on it's own meritcs, based on the comics or based on the previous movies. I know it's only been 10 years, and they wanted to continue the franchise and had to do it with different actors. I wonder if they should have just continued on with no backstory and a new villian?

So I just watched it and honestly: I was right. It wasn't the most amazing movie ever, and it did go away from the comic books on some levels, but it stuck with them on other. For instance: Gwen Stacy was in fact Peter's first love, and he made his own web shooters, the spider powers didn't go with them.

Also, I enjoyed this new Peter. They could've gone with the self-conscious nerd who can't get a girl if he tried, but instead they made him more of a skater who happens to be very intelligent, and they even manage to capture a bit of awkwardness as well (which is awesome). He's different, but is that any reason to dislike him?

And as for being 'one dimensional' with the characters, I don't think they're one demensional, I think you actually have to watch the movie and then sit back and start examining what happened to get their different motivations, they don't just beat you over the head with their personalities (except MAYBE one guy, but anyways...)

So yeah, I would suggest people to see it, unless you can't stand a different look on the series, then it won't be the movie for you. That's not a problem, as the DKR is coming out soon so that will make everyone happy =)

Wow he didnt talk about how spider-man keeps taking off his mask.

please please please bomb, would love Marvel to purchase the rights

thanks for the review Bob

You know you're dealing with a fanboy when he takes time out of a professional review to complain about the muzzle flare from Spidey's web shooter.

Nerdrage much?

As soon as I saw the 2nd set of trailers (after the action based 1st one) I had a strong suspicion this would be more about romance bullshit than fighting lizard.

Eh, seems like a lot of over the top rage from Bob. Especially considering the reception with both critics(not counting Bob) and audiences has been good-very good.

Gonna go with Bob being wrong on this one, but I'll just have to see for myself.

The over-emotional reviews are getting old though, tone it down.

edit: People actually enjoy listening to his obviously impetuous fanboy rage? I find these videos my least favourite of his. Bordering on unprofessional if anything.

Whytewulf:

scotth266:
Strangely enough, opinions about this Spider-Man movie appear to be all over the board. Some reviews say it's great, others say it's mediocre, and some (like Bob here) say it's piss-poor. I'm betting it'll wind up being just sort of okay, doing some things right and others wrong. I'll wind up seeing it myself, if only because I like Spider-Man.

I have seen that as well. It would interesting to see if those were based on whether they are reviewing the movie on it's own meritcs, based on the comics or based on the previous movies. I know it's only been 10 years, and they wanted to continue the franchise and had to do it with different actors. I wonder if they should have just continued on with no backstory and a new villian?

Would have been too hard to do. They've already used up a good portion of Spidey's best villains (Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin, and Venom) so the roster of potential threats is kind of thin. Mysterio? Electro? Rhino? Meh. None of them except Mysterio have ever been good character material, and since movies need more complex villains than comic books, they needed a way to bring some of the old ones back. This is also why Marvel's not in a big rush to make more Hulk movies... his villains tend to be rather crappy, except the Abomination, and we've already gone over that.

As a semi-spoiler for potential future movies, since this round of films is based of the Ultimate Spider-Man universe, Venom's probably going to be coming back (his parents did research on a black super-suit that became Ultimate Venom).

Saw the movie a few days ago, and aside from agreeing with the points that the Lizard looks like crap and some characters are one-dimensional, I have to call bullcrap on this entire review. Folks, if you're in the market for a fresh reinterpretation of the characters and the source material that doesn't feel the need to slavishly stick to every single detail laid out in the old stories it's based on, this movie will deliver, and you won't be sorry for the bucks you spend to go see it. Seriously, this review is 90% undeserved bile in my opinion, so if you're at all interested in this flic go see it instead of skipping it because Bob says you should.

I have waited a long time for a spider man that actually has a sense of humor, uses puns etc when fighting etc. I saw a clip (the one where he says he's scared of the little knife) that gave me some hope of that finally coming true.

I am a big fan of spider man. It was the main comic I collected as a child and I have never been satisfied with the movies so far. I'm hoping this will be different. I think, even after watching this review, that I will still go watch it and give it a chance. If it really is a train wreck, then maybe they can at least improve on it next time. If nobody watches this movie and it bombs....there will not even be a next time for them to hopefully improve on.

I think it says a lot that I haven't been excited for this movie at all. I mean, I was going crazy for The Avengers because I could feel (from tailers, production details, etc.) that it was going to be good. But a lot of the associated press and promotion leading up to this movie just couldn't get me interested.

As I've already told several people. Why would they reboot a property that has only seen a few years since it's last installment? Money, and that's it.

Emma Stone still looks great.

Thanks for the entertainment, Bob. Ahead of time, no less. Now off to read the opinion of a REAL critic. Haven't watched the movie yet, will do so anyway.

And about the "just so happens" bit: well, wasn't that that made the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon so great? The feeling that everything was connected somehow? Maybe that's just me.

Next "I've made my mind about this and you can't change it" review: The Dark Knight Rises. Good, almost great, but doesn't hold a candle to the phenomenon that was DK and therefore it'll fail.

captcha: pumpkin pie. Is that you, Goblin?

PsychedelicDiamond:
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To be fair: the villain was probably the weakest part of the movie. The Lizard was too much like Doctor Octopus from Spderman 2. But i didnÄt mind all that much because Amazing Spiderman tried to be mainly about Spiderman himself and not as much about the villain.

I don't know if this is much of an excuse but in the comics Doc Oct does not have the same relationship with Peter. The Sam Raimi basically combined the Lizard's story as a mentor for Peter. The only relationship between Doc Ock and Peter is when Ock dates Aunt May.

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