Zero Punctuation: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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Crushed:
Nobody has accused him of not being a real reviewer.

I've read frequently in other reviews that kind of accusation. In the "positive" manner: "He just rants, he isn't a real reviewer. He's just there to make us laugh", and in the negative, it's so much and I'm so lazy...

Has anyone else noticed just how goddamned more violent Yahtzee is in this review? God, do i love it. Oh, and I'm comment 666, mmmmm.

Posting just to make the numbers less demonic.

Oh and the review was amusing too.

DonPauliani:
Has anyone else noticed just how goddamned more violent Yahtzee is in this review? God, do i love it. Oh, and I'm comment 666, mmmmm.

OH GOD, YOU ARE POSTER 666

OH GOD OH GOD

What I don't understand is this whole "fanboy" thing.
What I mean is, it seems like Yahtzee and everybody else is saying you like the game a lot and are a fanboy or your a normal person and find the game mediocre, which is what he is saying SSBB is.
I like SSBB, no need to get into why here, but I feel that many people who don't like it aren't giving it a good enough chance (Yahtzee included.) What's so wrong about liking some Nintendo characters? I undertand Yahtzee doesn't like them but do I really have to be labeled a "fanboy" if I think Kirby is cool? It's just kind of ridiculous to me, that I am excited about a game with a bunch of different characters and crossovers from different series, something that rarely happens with video games, and be stigmatized as being too into it, or something like that.
On the one hand I can agree with Yahtzee that Nintendo aught to make some new characters. But on the other many people (myself included) want to see the further adventures of (Insert favorite Nintendo character here.) If this makes me a fanboy then whatever, I'm a fanboy, fine. All that means to me is that I really like something. Why is this bad? It's not, but why don't people get it? I guess it's just because some people havn't had the same experiances with these characters and video games as others. I grew up with Sonic. I got the shoes, the comics, even the Spegetti-O's. When I see Sonic nowadays he means something to me. For others that character can be Mario or Link or whoever.

Anyways, although I'm a big Super Smash Brothers fan, I'm not offended by the review just because Yahtzee didn't like SSBB. A lot of people don't like SSBB, that's fine. What pisses me off though is that everyone that does like it is labeled a "fanboy." That's bullcrap.
I am not a Nintendo fanboy. I like Nintendo and I think they're a standup company that's leading the video game industry in new directions and their games are usualy of high quality. They have a bunch of characters that many people are attached to, some people more than others. Super Smash Brothers is a good game series that many people enjoy weather they love Nintendo and their characters or not and the fact that the game's depth extends beyond the game itself is not a bad thing, and it's not right to bash the players who enjoy this depth.

In conclusion, (tl;dr) I'm not a fanboy but I love SSBB. However, being a "fanboy" isn't a bad thing.

You know what? I'm a big nintendo fan. And fanboy, obviously, as I did defend the name and love Super Smash Bros. Brawl. But! I found this review, as quite expected, funny, not that mean at all really and all the points are just matters of taste really.

At the beginning, you could tell it wasn't gonna give Brawl a gold star or anything. The fact that he did compliment the spirit of the spectacle was good enough for me.

I can't see eye to eye on all points of the review. I sort of missed why you would have to run through every level twice, besides the labyrinth.

Anyway, I thought the review was rather charming, despite being a rabid nintendo fan. Nintendo fans who get really offended by this and bother Yahtzee for it, are not only way too defensive, they are also overly antagonistic.

Anyway, yeah, I totally signed up for an account simply to say all that. Didn't really read all 669 comments, though, so hopefully all the hate died down after the first page.

Edit: Just read the above post. Uh, hm. I never minded the term "fanboy". Not that negative a term really. Unless you have some wicked associations. Fanboy, a fan who is so fanatical that they enjoy in a childlike fashion, arguing with people who aren't fans, accepting all flaws within the game of said fandom, but not of other's, etc.

Edit Edit: This is fun. I looked through the review again, and you know? Yeah, nintendo fans, there's seriously nothing to get offended about here.

SPEAK FASTER - your youtube reviews were so much better when we had to hang on your every word just to understand what the feck your were saying.

What pisses me off the most about this game is that the mechanics are actually quite good. If the Nintendo dillweeds would flex their game-making muscles in non-technical arenas by oh, I dunno, MAKING A NEW CHARACTER OR UNIVERSE ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU FREAKING IMBECILES... ahem, then perhaps I could start giving more of a shit.

[Nerd Rant]

I don't really understand people's hatred for staple games. Using a formula that works along with classic characters isn't the plague people make it out to be. Staple games are just there to lay the foundation, giving the fan base a comfort zone. New and original games are still being made, and many with good quality.

As for the staple games that aren't the best quality, usually the fans will play it anyway just because they love the characters/formula. Of course they will overhype it, because they have an attachment to the series. So long as the next staple is better it's forgivable. It's the same as watching a tv series; you'll forgive a crappy episode if you enjoy the series but enough crappy episodes and you stop watching.

I think the hatred is more for the fans, which build up a lot of unnecessary hype for some of the more mediocre games. But fanboys screaming "10/10" isn't a good enough reason to call a mediocre/decent game or its series garbage.

And to say that staple games are all the same with minor variations is just not true; Some of the best games ever were staples, like FFVII, GTA 3, and OoT.

[/Nerd Rant]

Well that's just how I see it. Any thoughts?

I think you become a fan boy when your love of a game leads to defend it to such an extent that it is almost like a pet belief.

What I mean is, generally you're willing to accept any evidence what-so-ever for why your game is good, and whenever someone says that it is not, you spend 1,000% more energy trying to defend it from attack.

So I'm sure to non-fan boys, and in that case I mean players who have NOT played all three Smash Games, players who have NOT necessarily mastered the mechanics of the earlier games (and for heaven's sake, players who don't even know what wave dashing is!), then I'm sure that OUR defense of SSBB is irritating in the way that a biologist might be irritated with someone defending creationism. Fan-Boys like their game, period, and there is no way to convince them otherwise.

... Which, personally, I think is the formula to create a 700 reply, 20 page long discussion. Have people troll, and provoke fan boys, who will inevitably bite the bait and fight with you till the ends of time. Hell, they'll probably fight among themselves YEARS after the trolls leave.

DonPauliani:
Has anyone else noticed just how goddamned more violent Yahtzee is in this review? God, do i love it. Oh, and I'm comment 666, mmmmm.

Unfortunately, you turned out to be 667. Not quite as evil, but good try!

Simon_TR:
[Nerd Rant]

I don't really understand people's hatred for staple games. Using a formula that works along with classic characters isn't the plague people make it out to be. Staple games are just there to lay the foundation, giving the fan base a comfort zone. New and original games are still being made, and many with good quality.

As for the staple games that aren't the best quality, usually the fans will play it anyway just because they love the characters/formula. Of course they will overhype it, because they have an attachment to the series. So long as the next staple is better it's forgivable. It's the same as watching a tv series; you'll forgive a crappy episode if you enjoy the series but enough crappy episodes and you stop watching.

I think the hatred is more for the fans, which build up a lot of unnecessary hype for some of the more mediocre games. But fanboys screaming "10/10" isn't a good enough reason to call a mediocre/decent game or its series garbage.

And to say that staple games are all the same with minor variations is just not true; Some of the best games ever were staples, like FFVII, GTA 3, and OoT.

[/Nerd Rant]

Well that's just how I see it. Any thoughts?

I'm sure a study some day will uncover the "interweb phenomena," where in if two people hold fairly close to neutral view points, and one is slightly more negative and the other slightly more positive, when one expresses their view then the other is instantly polarized.

Ahem:

#1: I love North Atlantic Cod.
#2: FUCK ATLANTIC COD! Pacific Cod is a masterpiece!
#1: WHY DO YOU HATE NORTH ATLANTIC COD! You troll!
#2: You fan boy!

Here, person one uses the terms, "I love," which immediately forces person two to polarize their opinion.

Obviously person one probably doesn't really "love" Atlantic cod, in so much as they say, 'love their mother/father' or 'love life,' and was exaggerating their view point.

Obviously person two doesn't hate Atlantic cod completely, but in order to make their protest heard then they have to shout it.

It's sort of like, if fan boys use a megaphone to shout their opinion of a game, then you MUST use your own megaphone to be heard. Otherwise you will be written off and ignored.

I just love Uszi's explanation. It's so true. And sad.

However, on topic, Super Smash Bros. I liked the first one. The one to gamecube was not as good. It was pretty much a sloppy game with too many loose ends and what were all the statues and rewards for anyway when there were so many and you were all like "wth more of this scrap" each time you got them anyway.

Super Smash bros is indeed definitly OVERRATED and that is why Yahtzee's review or "rant" is so good. Because it takes guts to point it out in this mainstream horde of slimy nintendo fanboys and to be able to handle all the low IQ replies and hate-mails you will get.

Super smash bros games are like 6/10 in score, fun, but not ever a top game. They are just not to be taken seriously since they are so messed up and still contain many bad characters. Like the one to gamecube, what a serious gag mess. Many pokemon characters and so many copies of the same characters. Not even a true nintendo-fanboy can agree that was a good idea.

anyway, Yahtzee continues to grow in my eyes since he has the balls to say what needs to be said about theese games.

Ignorance Is Bliss!

I'm not much of a fanboy and I hate the name Wii

Great Job all around from the one and Only Yahtzee,,, oh and to comment on another post,,, 666 isnt all that evil if you were to check up on it i think you will find 616 is the sign of evil.

Buts thats just me finding truth it what can only be best described a 'Sceince Fiction',,, damn Bible

Again Great work Yahtzee I was sat watching this in a quiet office which was a mistake when GAMETRADERS ROBINA came up swiftly followed by GUY'S HOUSE, Hillarious!

Was it purposely made 4 minutes 20 seconds long on the week of 4/20?

techno_alf:
Was it purposely made 4 minutes 20 seconds long on the week of 4/20?

Probably not.

Uh, why don't we keep this thing going. I believe a few people are interested in this thing hitting 1000 posts. It would an interesting spectacle, no?

- A procrastinator

stompy:

techno_alf:
Was it purposely made 4 minutes 20 seconds long on the week of 4/20?

Probably not.

Uh, why don't we keep this thing going. I believe a few people are interested in this thing hitting 1000 posts. It would an interesting spectacle, no?

- A procrastinator

Its already the most commented article.

mspencer82:

Garfgarog:
Fun Fact: There is no such thing as 'overrated'. It's a buzzword used by people like you who think their opinion shared with others like themselves should be the opinion of the everyone else that isn't already part of their side of the argument.

Enjoy your opinion.

Thanks, I will. Enjoy your shitty game.

Amen man.

chewbacca1010:

And I don't doubt there are people that hope overhyped games will fail and complain accordingly. We should still demand higher quality reviews from the gaming journalist sector, since it is well needed at this point. Some games are going to pass, no matter how good or bad they actually are, just because they were released from a big studio.

I guess I don't have as much faith in journalistic integrity these days, especially when advertising is introduced. It has happened in virtually every other niche media review journalism world, and it certainly happens here too. The lines between actual journalism and out and out advertising are being blurred, more and more.

You don't think people hope that overhyped games will fail? Really? Have you read this forum or the Halo forum? These have both been very competent games, even if they aren't the second coming. To that effect, I don't get why people are so thrilled about the fact that this game got slammed by someone.
And again, if you want to read a publication by writers with the stones to stand up to big companies, check out EGM. They ran a cover stored titled, and I quote, "Wii Crap," which was a 4-page rant about Nintendo's lack of a concept approval process and the shitty, shitty games on that console. Also, they typically stick it to the studio heads when they are able to get an interview (Reggie Fils-Amie has decided not to conduct an interview...wonder why)

680+ comments. Bloody hell, even Halo 3 didn't get this sort of reception...

m_jim:

chewbacca1010:

And I don't doubt there are people that hope overhyped games will fail and complain accordingly. We should still demand higher quality reviews from the gaming journalist sector, since it is well needed at this point. Some games are going to pass, no matter how good or bad they actually are, just because they were released from a big studio.

I guess I don't have as much faith in journalistic integrity these days, especially when advertising is introduced. It has happened in virtually every other niche media review journalism world, and it certainly happens here too. The lines between actual journalism and out and out advertising are being blurred, more and more.

You don't think people hope that overhyped games will fail? Really? Have you read this forum or the Halo forum? These have both been very competent games, even if they aren't the second coming. To that effect, I don't get why people are so thrilled about the fact that this game got slammed by someone.
And again, if you want to read a publication by writers with the stones to stand up to big companies, check out EGM. They ran a cover stored titled, and I quote, "Wii Crap," which was a 4-page rant about Nintendo's lack of a concept approval process and the shitty, shitty games on that console. Also, they typically stick it to the studio heads when they are able to get an interview (Reggie Fils-Amie has decided not to conduct an interview...wonder why)

No no, I was agreeing with you on the first part. There are plenty of people who hate a game just because it is well enjoyed by a ton of other people and will bitch accordingly. Game forums usualy ring with complaints when a game that is really anticipated is released.

And sure there are a few publications that stick to their guns, but EGM is only one mag out of like, how many man? I respect those who do, but they seem to be in short supply today.

i love smash brothers, i'm not particularly good at fighting games as i get too excited & end up button mashing so it's nice to have a game i can actually play with my brothers & housemates without just getting massacred all the time, although it's frustrating as hell for them if i win!

...if of course

at least it gives us special people a chance :) although i totally agree on the whole zelda continuity issue, & marv is indeed, balls.

I used to be a fan of Smash Brothers, but I thought myself pretty good at Melee. Especially as Falco.

NON SEQUITUR: What the hell happened to Falco in Brawl?!? He's been nerfed in the worst way now. He goes from being the best character in Melee to one of the worst in Brawl.

Anyway, my melee-philia changed when I faced a dude I had just met who not only kicked my ass, but could move faster by blocking and ducking in quick succession than he could full out sprinting. That's when I threw down my controller in disgust and went off to play Dawn of War (Tau Empire ftw!).

yay 689th comment

chewbacca1010:

No no, I was agreeing with you on the first part. There are plenty of people who hate a game just because it is well enjoyed by a ton of other people and will bitch accordingly. Game forums usualy ring with complaints when a game that is really anticipated is released.

And sure there are a few publications that stick to their guns, but EGM is only one mag out of like, how many man? I respect those who do, but they seem to be in short supply today.

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, the state of journalism, in general, is pretty said today. This is not just limited to game published. But that is a rant for another forum.

Undead Dragon King:
I used to be a fan of Smash Brothers, but I thought myself pretty good at Melee. Especially as Falco.

NON SEQUITUR: What the hell happened to Falco in Brawl?!? He's been nerfed in the worst way now. He goes from being the best character in Melee to one of the worst in Brawl.

Anyway, my melee-philia changed when I faced a dude I had just met who not only kicked my ass, but could move faster by blocking and ducking in quick succession than he could full out sprinting. That's when I threw down my controller in disgust and went off to play Dawn of War (Tau Empire ftw!).

Wave-dashing.
I thought that the cult of wave dashers had an unspeaken rule to not show the skill to the unchosen ones?

I was never interested in playing the game till it got to that point. I lost interest in SSB64 with my friend when he learned this trick with Ness where you jump, and use his down smash to cancel the jump, causing him to down smash at ground level. This means that he juggles you up to 150% if he gets his heels on you, and then head-butts you to infinity and beyond.

Uszi:
Wave-dashing.
I thought that the cult of wave dashers had an unspeaken rule to not show the skill to the unchosen ones?

Only if you've been under a rock. A quick look through GameFaqs will tell you that it's basically just jumping and then inmediately "evading" (pressing block) against one of your sides, against the floor. It's not hard to do, but it's really tough to do it CONSISTENTLY. Not all characters have good wavedashing. Personally, I avoid it when playing against anyone without experience.

Uszi:
I was never interested in playing the game till it got to that point. I lost interest in SSB64 with my friend when he learned this trick with Ness where you jump, and use his down smash to cancel the jump, causing him to down smash at ground level. This means that he juggles you up to 150% if he gets his heels on you, and then head-butts you to infinity and beyond.

You could press block and to the side when u touch the floor when coming down in order to roll to a side and end the combo. I used this a lot too, considering NESS is the most powerfull character in the original.

Am I the only one here that thinks that Yahtzee gave this game a quick two hour play, just to shut everyone up? As justified as his points were in this review, I feel like Yahtzee could have gone even further. Point in case: the balancing issues in this game, for all of you people who like to use Ike, or spam Sonic's final smash.

This is not to say that Yahtzee SHOULD have gone deeper, however. This is to say that you people (and you know who you are) need to stop spamming poor Yahtzee with your fan-boy ideas of what he should review. The man enjoys reviewing certain types of games, and forcing Yahtzee to review SSB is like forcing David Bowie to sing Death Metal for you.

This goes double for you people that insist that he's 'not a real reviewer'. If you want Yahtzee to be more serious about this reviews, then let him dissect things that he likes.

Pricks.

@NDBurke: He's getting PAID to make this reviews. His boss chooses the game. He HAS to do his job, likes it or not (most of the times he does though).

Wow. Hey, everyone, for a prime example of that guy, just read post 688. I mean, I'm shocked.

Wow within the first day, this rewiew got more post than any of the other reviews including Halo 3.

Loved the review, he made a lot of good points, bui I still love the game, I think it's going to be the game of the year, hands down. It's s great game to play with your friends, yeah the single player is very repetetive, but all I ended up doing is just playing an ass ton of vs. games and unlocking them all that way cause every like 50 you get one. The only thing I didn't agree with him about was the "button mashing", I have a friend that SSBB was his first SSB game he ever played and he tried the "button mashing" and lost every time, I believe that this game you really need to know whats going on and how to control what you are doing otherwise you are just kinda fucked. And there is nothing wrong with being "That Guy" either, cause deep down everyone wants to be "That Guy" when they are playing a video game against other people, whether you like to admit it or not.

This is ridiculous. Some people just don't give good games a chance and bad mouth it as if it were Hitler or something, then they seem to think that anyone else who likes the game is a Nazi. If a golden perfect game drifted down from heaven and promised to rid the world of all it's problems there would still be a bunch of people who would be desperate to give it a tonne of crap, just because it's different. I'm not saying Brawl is perfect, I'm saying it's a good game with few flaws that some people don't like because other people DO like it.

Amen to that. And, Yahtzee didn't actually give SSBB THAT bad of a review. Even when he gives a comparatively good review he always points out the flaws above all else.

Everything said in the review was, I hate to admit it, true, at least to some degree, regardless of whether or not there was a reason behind it.

And there CAN be something wrong with being that guy, depending on attitude, though yes, we all want to win. I guess that's true.

144:

And there CAN be something wrong with being that guy, depending on attitude, though yes, we all want to win. I guess that's true.

Yeah there is nothing wrong with being "That Guy" as long as your not one of those rub it in the face type of people, cause they are just annoying.

wow, almost 700 comments

btw i am "that guy"

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