Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

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Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

While I can understand your feelings it is also immensely entertaining and interesting to be able to observe a world (the Internet) that does not play by the regular rules. And in some cases, a world that still rebels. I for one hail anonymous, not because they are cyber-terrorists, or hackers, internet black-knights or whatever they might want to call themselves, but because they are the unknown face of a generation of youngsters, protesting in the way they know how.

I wonder in time, if anonymous will be compared to say the hippie movement. Now dont jump at my throat, protesting war and murder is not exactly immediately comparable to the war on pirates...but there is a lot more stuff going on in this slice of the world than one should think. And I am glad that we are not without the anons :)

I want to see anonymous crushed. They had their chance to become a force to be reckoned with. When I used to go to 4chan I tried to start a revolution. They had their chance, let's see 4chan shut down and Gene Simmons rape ever single one.

Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

I agree! Though Anonymous is a world-wide gestalt entity with tendrils buried deep into most forms of media, it's kind of horrible. "Don't mess with them!!!" leaving them to do what they want, when usually that means race-hate crimes, lashing out at successful people, and as Gene Simmons pointed out, media theft taking huge, needed chunks of money from people. To be honest, it will an interesting "clash of the titans." Can't wait to see what happens.

If Simmons loses, though, Anonymous will gain even freer reign... Fantastic...

Azaraxzealot:

viper3:

Azaraxzealot:
finally... someone's sticking up to these internet terrorists.

and im glad its Gene Simmons \m/ YEAH! ROCKERS DON'T TAKE THIS SHIT!

Thanks for the Fox News edition there, coming up next: How communism was the "terrorism" of the 50's.

sigh.... it has nothing to do with any of THAT, what it DOES have to do with is that Trolls have too much power. since the world practically runs on computers, and people like these trolls have clearly demonstrated that they can destroy any computer network they want, i worry that if they just keep being allowed to do what they do without regulation, we could see our next president being a lolcat...

President Longcat would be a wise and truthful leader.

OT: Yeah, Anonymous isn't really a threat. They're just expressing free speech, which culminates in the form of anti-Scientology. Sure, they shouldn't be downloading music, but are YOU gonna stop them?

Fighting Anonymous is fighting your everyday people. It's futile, you can't win.

xXDeMoNiCXx:
Anonymous is a coward who hides behind a computer screen, thinks he's a bigshot and goes out of his way to hack anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest cause it makes his imaginary balls fell big. I will personally laugh when this poser finally gets brought down, I don't care who does it either.

LOL
Please tell me you are kidding xD

If you are, ignore the rest of this post.
If you are not; anonymous represents the nameless, faceless, endless horde of people on the internet.
Most of anon will show support for the small part of anon, and for the most part, are harmless trolls.
That small part though, are more-or-less omnipotent trolls that can do anything they want with a computer.

Gene will need more than the "power" of rock to save him now. Good fortune Mr Simmons, you will need it.

tzimize:

Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

While I can understand your feelings it is also immensely entertaining and interesting to be able to observe a world (the Internet) that does not play by the regular rules. And in some cases, a world that still rebels. I for one hail anonymous, not because they are cyber-terrorists, or hackers, internet black-knights or whatever they might want to call themselves, but because they are the unknown face of a generation of youngsters, protesting in the way they know how.

I wonder in time, if anonymous will be compared to say the hippie movement. Now dont jump at my throat, protesting war and murder is not exactly immediately comparable to the war on pirates...but there is a lot more stuff going on in this slice of the world than one should think. And I am glad that we are not without the anons :)

^ this.
Judging by the results of anon's past exploits, I am excited for what will happen when Gene Simmons swings his 'all-powerful fist' into a hostile cloud of nothingness. He might not get it back.

EHKOS:
I want to see anonymous crushed. They had their chance to become a force to be reckoned with. When I used to go to 4chan I tried to start a revolution. They had their chance, let's see 4chan shut down and Gene Simmons rape ever single one.

I kinda envisioned a helium fuelled squeaky Napoleon in that sentence. I just find each groups "assaults" a bit of a joke really; it's just going back to our natural animal instinct of clubbing someone over the head because he's "not one of us" and while I'm sure it'll always be more complex than that, to what extent does it lead to? That's something I'm not sure a lot of people can answer, myself included.

Good for Gene though. Internet hackers like this as a whole need to be grabbed out of their parents basements and be given a good spanking by reality and the law. He's well within his rights to bring down justice on these childish pricks for cyber crime as they have a hollow defiance that stinks of fear; hoping to inspire a level of terror and submittal in people can only last so long as there'll be others willing to say to them "Grow up and pay the price for breaking the law would you kindly?"

on one hand: the music industry is bloated. there is no reason a song should be $1.29 its a rip off. the cost of production is ridiculously low and the results are over priced. if gene simmons got his way a bunch of good people (and some bad people) would be out on the street. however, gene really cant do anything except throw his money at lawyers. he isnt smart enough to counter attack.

on the other hand: /b/ is full of perverts and internet terrorists. it is the sewer pipe of the internet. i think they should be taken down.

but: in the intrest of most people i really hope /b/ wins this. they are dangerous to corperations and people who make comments like that, but they arent going to make anyone homeless. they are the lesser of two evils.

edit: also, as a note, i used to pirate music. not anymore. i got a job at a music store and i get a ridiculous discount on everything.

In all honesty I wasn't really a big fan of KISS and anyone who thinks they should be able to use their fame to be a loud-mouth rather than speak diplomatically almost seems as if they're hoping for someone to step on their toes. Not that I don't agree that downloading music illegally is bad and that artists should be paid for their work but endorsing making people homeless is a tad extreme but then again from what I've been told thats all he and his band has really known.

On the other hand Anon. has done some good for society but on the other end of the spectrum they've done some uncool stuff too. A celebrity's legal firm versus about of people with unknown amounts of resources and potential... Should be interesting to see how this goes down. Especially since a republican party website if I remember correctly waved the white flag to Anon. earlier this year.

lacktheknack:
Is there any way that both can lose? Please?

This is what I was thinking. Anonymous are a bunch of Internet terrorists I'd enjoy seeing torn apart, and Gene Simmons is taking things WAY too far with the anti-piracy.

I'd like some mutually assured destruction on this, but it probably won't happen...

King Toasty:

Azaraxzealot:

viper3:

Azaraxzealot:
finally... someone's sticking up to these internet terrorists.

and im glad its Gene Simmons \m/ YEAH! ROCKERS DON'T TAKE THIS SHIT!

Thanks for the Fox News edition there, coming up next: How communism was the "terrorism" of the 50's.

sigh.... it has nothing to do with any of THAT, what it DOES have to do with is that Trolls have too much power. since the world practically runs on computers, and people like these trolls have clearly demonstrated that they can destroy any computer network they want, i worry that if they just keep being allowed to do what they do without regulation, we could see our next president being a lolcat...

President Longcat would be a wise and truthful leader.

OT: Yeah, Anonymous isn't really a threat. They're just expressing free speech, which culminates in the form of anti-Scientology. Sure, they shouldn't be downloading music, but are YOU gonna stop them?

im all for downloading music (who here has the cash to buy EVERY SINGLE SONG that they like? as for me, i dont have more than 3000 dollars on hand at all times)

im against people abusing their power, whether it be copyright lawyers trying to sue 8 year olds or internet trolls trying to take down people's sites and mess up real-world polls so they can spell out names of people who really don't matter but are important on "teh internetz"

Second, they might find their little butts in jail, right next to someone who's been there for years and is looking for a new girl friend.

So piracy is evil but rape is totally okay. Good work there.

Mordwyl:
Says the man whose son blatantly plagiarised one of the trinity manga for his own.

Do you mean Bleach or is this more plagiarism I haven't heard of? Because I remember seeing the side-by-sides of his art and Tite Kubo's and there's characters that are basically redrawn/retraced panels of Kenpachi and Orihime with... er... bleached hair. (And a bunch of other dubious stuff.)


Danzaivar:

Second, they might find their little butts in jail, right next to someone who's been there for years and is looking for a new girl friend.

So piracy is evil but rape is totally okay. Good work there.

But piracy hurts his bank balance and rape is something that happens to other people. So it's OK.

Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

As am I. While I respect Anonymous's noble attempts, such as "Cheer Up Keanu" day, for the most part Anonymous is a terrible, terrible thing. I hope Mr. Simmons succeeds.

Well, this should be interesting. While I believe Mister Simmons will manage to track down and sue a few of anonymous, there is no way he can find the entire horde before they wear down his patience for the little feud. As long as the supply of willing participants in this daring little foray remain as bottomless as they've ever been, anon will prevail.

As they have before and will again.

All I see here is a misunderstanding for anonymous, as it is meant to be a cross-section of society on the internet. Of course those stereotypes you speak of exist in anonymous but so does the businessman, the artist, the lawyer.

M00t, I'd imagine, is quite safe from this proposed mass litigation, as he's not an idiot. Of course, even were he to be brought in, it would only serve to further motivate the 4chan branch of anonymous. Needless to say, I'm going to enjoy how this plays out.

/popcorn

The Austin:

Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

As am I. While I respect Anonymous's noble attempts, such as "Cheer Up Keanu" day, for the most part Anonymous is a terrible, terrible thing. I hope Mr. Simmons succeeds.

this is basically what "i" was trying to say before people assumed i was a fox news junkie who got a hard-on whenever someone says "Obama is a socialist"

this is why internet trolls should really suffer... it's not that i want to see piracy be taken away (i rather like not having to make life decisions when i want to listen to the latest Megadeth album) i want them to stop abusing their power and taking down anyone who slightly angers them... because that makes them dangerous in more ways than one

This is going to be fucking hilarious.

Okay, so Gene wants to sue house and home over a $1.29 song, that's warranting a judicial review since that goes well beyond the allowed amount granted by the court (there is a limit to how much one can sue for over what would equate to a misdemeanor.) Now the people who download thousands of full CDs, movies, and other digital mediums should be held accountable but less than an album of music does not a major felony make.

As for his war against anon, supposedly getting a few hackers (or internet terrorists) is more than most but he has to find the big ones with the FBI's help, they're the only people anon will probably not try to mess with. If anon tries the FBI they'll find out what a multi-million dollar a year cyber defense and crime lab can do, which boils down to bending anon over with a cactus. Should he not get the help of a major cyber organization he will fail miserably though I do like his promise to publicly reveal the identity of caught anon members, certain poetry to that.

Either case I'll enjoy the show

I really have no sympathy for Simmons, and I really don't want to back him. Why does he back those outrageous penalties and fines for downloading a song that costs less than a dollar?

"Take their hones, their cars, don't let anybody cross that line."

Really? Take their fucking homes? Is that the kind of justice he wants?

Azaraxzealot:

The Austin:

Legion:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

As am I. While I respect Anonymous's noble attempts, such as "Cheer Up Keanu" day, for the most part Anonymous is a terrible, terrible thing. I hope Mr. Simmons succeeds.

this is basically what "i" was trying to say before people assumed i was a fox news junkie who got a hard-on whenever someone says "Obama is a socialist"

this is why internet trolls should really suffer... it's not that i want to see piracy be taken away (i rather like not having to make life decisions when i want to listen to the latest Megadeth album) i want them to stop abusing their power and taking down anyone who slightly angers them... because that makes them dangerous in more ways than one

Agreed. Anon has hacked peoples' bank accounts because they think it's funny.

Anon must die.

Worgen:
well so much for liking simmons, he sounds like a pretty big dick

He's after Lars Ulrich's crown and King Prick. Seriously, you did perfectly fine before with music piracy, where people taped songs off the radio and copied albums for their friends, you'll be fine now. All bands know it's live shows that get the money in.

BabySinclair:
As for his war against anon, supposedly getting a few hackers (or internet terrorists) is more than most but he has to find the big ones with the FBI's help, they're the only people anon will probably not try to mess with. If anon tries the FBI they'll find out what a multi-million dollar a year cyber defense and crime lab can do, which boils down to bending anon over with a cactus. Should he not get the help of a major cyber organization he will fail miserably though I do like his promise to publicly reveal the identity of caught anon members, certain poetry to that.

Heh, there is irony in putting a face to anon members, but I'd say they stop being a part of anonymous when they are no longer anonymous.
Like taking a cup of water from a river. As soon as it is out of the river, it is not a part of it.

As for what the FBI can do, I don't think they can do shit all.
Their efforts in the past certainly haven't done much.

Torrasque:

The Long Road:
In other news, the United States is still hunting terrorists in Afghanistan nine years later.

Seriously, it's the same thing. He has incredible might behind him, but anon can hide all over the internet. The idiots might get caught, but the smart ones can bounce their IP all over the world and either become untraceable or make tracing them so complicated and difficult that they won't bother. And that's if he gets the legal grounds to trace them, which is a dubious proposition at the very best.

Personally, I want to see Anonymous sap him of lots of money and energy before he finally throws up his hands and gives up. I think Gene Simmons is head and shoulders better than most in the entertainment business, but anyone who declares war on Anonymous is basically chewing on the business end of a shotgun. Anon FTW.

^

The funny thing is he thinks he is going after a set number of people.
Pretty sure if he knew what Anon was, he'd re-think his words.

"I don't like water! I am going to fight water!"
'...have you seen the ocean?'

I do love how people are shoving this to extremes. Everyone says he's going to go after people who download one or two songs. MAYBE that is the case, but don't you think he'll go after distributors, MASS pirates, and the other people doing this on a mass scale before he goes after people that pirate one or two songs?

Well, Gene's got one hell of a fight ahead of him. People have tried to combat Anonymous, and it's simply too big and... random... to be fought using orthodox methods.

How do you kill that which has no life?

Celtic_Kerr:
I do love how people are shoving this to extremes. Everyone says he's going to go after people who download one or two songs. MAYBE that is the case, but don't you think he'll go after distributors, MASS pirates, and the other people doing this on a mass scale before he goes after people that pirate one or two songs?

Thats something I hadn't thought of before, but makes much more sense.
If he went after the sites that host pirated stuff, that would be much easier to do than fight Anonymous.
But that is not the title of this thread is it?

That I'd like to see, ya frog-tongued sombitch.

Torrasque:

Celtic_Kerr:
I do love how people are shoving this to extremes. Everyone says he's going to go after people who download one or two songs. MAYBE that is the case, but don't you think he'll go after distributors, MASS pirates, and the other people doing this on a mass scale before he goes after people that pirate one or two songs?

Thats something I hadn't thought of before, but makes much more sense.
If he went after the sites that host pirated stuff, that would be much easier to do than fight Anonymous.
But that is not the title of this thread is it?

NNO it's it's not the title of the thread, but it's what he said he'd do. Go after everyone who pirates and steals. He never said "Those anonymous sons of bitches are going down. You need a plan to work off of. You don't just shove your dick in a beehive and hope they suffocate. You work systematically. Wading into something without a plan is an idiot's idea, and it's not the way Gene Simmons thinks.

He'll probably go after the major people first, and when they find stupider and stupider ways to attack him (rather than redirecting him to Piratebay because he might try to get that closed first), he'll starting hitting at them.

Everyone assume he's just going to ATTACK Anon with no idea of what he's doing. The man is not stupid.

The greatest irony here would be the fact, that his very own son Nick, plagiarized a bunch of Bleach, Hellsing, Prototype (honestly the list is hella long) and yes, even Deviant artists! For his stupid comic "Incarnate" which was the biggest pile of theft one could imagine, and then tried to profit off of this junk. So, Gene, before you go trying to fix Anonymous or down-loaders, fix your own damn son first!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98681-Heavy-Metal-Icons-Son-Accused-of-Plagiarizing-Famous-Manga

image
this will be a good match

by the end you wont be able to tell him apart from image

The real question to me is can he really find out who took down his site?

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