No UMD Transfer for the Vita

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Well, that's one more game system I won't be buying. *returns to saving up for a 3DS so I can play Kingdom Hearts 3D.*

If you ask me, Sony's really digging their graves with PSVita. For the record, Sony also love to neuter backward compatibly between their newer systems if not impair it.

Ah well, sorry but looks like its better to just bring the PSV to the backyard and euthanize it.

Korten12:

Fiz_The_Toaster:

Korten12:
It sucks but honestly... The west won't care. Despite what many think, The PSP IS DEAD in the west. It never sold well here, so this probably will have little effect on sales. Plus, I understand the want to have the ability to play old games, but if you didn't have a PSP (which most likely sales will be full of) then this will have little to no effect.

Would I want this UMD system? Hell yes.

Will it effect sales heavily? No.

That's what I was thinking, I don't know many people that have a PSP, i.e. only one other person, so I don't think it's going to hurt Sony that much in the long run. Yeah it sucks for the people that want to transfer over to the Vita, but really, if you already own the PSP, why would you want to get ride of it when you know for a fact that you can still use it to play games?

Still plan on getting the Vita though, even though this news kinda blows.

Plus, isn't the whole main point of buying a vita is to, you know, play Vita games?

Ah, but here is the thing. It discourages people to upgrade their PSP to a Vita. Why should they upgrade if the Vita can't play any of their PSP games?

Backwards compatibility, I think, is only ever a problem at the early stages of a console cycle. It's not just the PS3; once they'd got better games, people stopped caring about the backwards compatibility of PS1, the DS, etc etc... as the current-gen console cycle gains a more significant library of games, the older generation becomes more and more irrelevant, as the games tend to be smaller, with less graphics and gameplay opportunities. This is particularly apparent with PSP games, considering how many of its titles were effectively crippled by only having a single analogue pad.

ahh yes the we want money approach to marketing. So the way you decide its best to make this appeal to western gamers is ... cutting services which are available somewhere else without any other reason, bar we want more moneys, at least try to dress it up dang it.

Good work Sony.

Is it just me, or has Sony now mastered the art of completely sabotaging themselves?

Aiddon:
Sony, once again proving their two generations of dominance in the market was sheer, unadulterated LUCK.

The only real competitor in their first generation was... nobody. Nintendo went with the N64, which meant smaller capacity in order to remain price competitive(inferior graphics and smaller games), Sega was still failing to recover from their SegaCD/32x fiasco with the Saturn(which never caught on), and does anyone really think the NeoGeo was going to go anywhere with an 800 dollar system and 200 dollar games? Sony one the first round because they got good with CD based games, and because Sony Japan fired the Sony Computer Entertainment America director who was blocking JRPGs from America. He in turn immediately got hired by Sega America, and rejected the idea of putting Final Fantasy 7 on the Saturn.

The second Generation started off with Sega pretty much rushing out the Dreamcast to get to the market first, followed by Sony and it's amazing DVD player and fully backwards compatible game system. Microsoft floundered at first, and then Halo saved this new X-Box system. I would say the winners of that generation were both Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo did its own thing with the Gamecube, and it seemed to work for them.

As for this generation, I would say Nintendo won the first half, and both Microsoft and Sony are trying to play catch up. While they're both great systems, at the rate publishers are going, they could be the last full console generation.

As for the portable side, Sony dropped the ball on the PSP. They could have pulled something off if only they added a couple more features, and went with a business casual deal(think Personal Digital Assistant that has games, movies, and music). I don't think I've seen an advertisement for the PSP outside of a couple of magazines. The PSPGo was a terrible idea. This PSVita don't port over stuff we bought is just stupid. Of course, Nintendo isn't doing as good as they would hope right now either with the 3DS.

Granted there are more problems with the way gaming as a whole is working right now than I could probably ever address. I think we're heading for a long term repeat of 1983. Too many games and systems, and too few people willing to spend on it. I'm just not seeing enough interest in what's out there, especially long term, for companies to continue to head down their current course. I can't name a single factor that needs to change to fix it, because it's more than any one factor. There is no silver bullet to save gaming from itself.

Yeeeeep~!

Im not getting one. Im happy with my PSP. Before long, PSP games will drop to 5$ a pop, maybe 10. Then i'll just mass up on the cheap games and laugh.

Much laughter will be had. But i still dont see why they would charge for the Passport system at all. Your paying for an overpriced version of something you might already own, and now they want to charge you for game you already own?

For shame Sony. For shame.....

ila:
I still can't believe how self-entitled certain gamers feel. When I bought a UMD I wasn't thinking to myself "oh boy I sure hope this works on every Sony system ever." It' just like a license. When I bought say, God Eater Burst on UMD, I was buying just that. The game on UMD. At no point was anyone obligated to make sure I can download a digital version of the game for use on a new upcoming system.

You're absolutely right, Sony isn't obligated to do anything regarding backwards compatibility. At the same time, people aren't obligated to buy their products, and by not including features people want, like backwards compatibility, Sony is making their product less appealing. That isn't gamers being "self-entitled," it's gamers being savvy customers.

I have a Vita preordered as well.

ila:
I still can't believe how self-entitled certain gamers feel. When I bought a UMD I wasn't thinking to myself "oh boy I sure hope this works on every Sony system ever." It' just like a license. When I bought say, God Eater Burst on UMD, I was buying just that. The game on UMD. At no point was anyone obligated to make sure I can download a digital version of the game for use on a new upcoming system.

And for the record, this whole "transfer" system only covered games that already had PSN releases. It didn't cover every UMD, in fact it covered a very limited amount. Hardly "crippling."

Full disclosure here: yes I have the Vita preordered, and I also own a 3DS. I don't care to see any company "fail" or the like. I'd rather that gaming continues to get better. I really don't think the recent trend of negative journalism is helping the case at all.

No-one is has said that Sony is obligated to give us downloadable copies of our PSP games. No, what we're complaining about is poor customer service. Here's the scenario.
Let's say I now have a PSP in my hand (one with a UMD drive, the less said about the Go, the better). I've got a bunch of games on it I've paid money for (let's also assume I bought them all new, so we don't get into the arguments over new vs used). I now hear that Vita is on its way, its the shiny new handheld console, its more powerful and generally better.
However, the main thing keeping me from then buying the Vita is the fact its a separate console. The point of a handheld console is the fact you can carry it around with you, preferably stick it in a pocket, or keep it in the inside pocket of my coat. Now, I have to worry about which of the two handhelds from the same manufacturer I will bring with me. I'm not going to bring both, I already bring my smartphone with me (and that's competition right there, smartphones already have a bunch of great games, at better prices).
So, one way Sony could have persuaded me to buy their new product would have been to offer me downloads of any UMD games I have for the PSP. One way it could have worked would be to stick the disc in the PSP drive, log in to my Sony Account on the PSP and have the option to then register the game to my account. I then log in to my Sony account on the Vita and I'm able to download. Once my downloads are complete, I toss the PSP, and keep the Vita, and then on buying Vita games.
As the Vita is right now, its competing with its manufacturer's own products (which is never a good thing). At the moment, the only Vita game I'm interested in getting is Persona 4, but one game is not enough to get me to buy a machine.

So, to sum up, no-one is saying Sony is obligated to do ANYTHING. We're saying it would be a good business practice to do these things, because it creates goodwill with the customer. Instead, there's no good selling points for the Vita and a whole load of reasons to avoid it. Especially with charging for Passport. I know, a company exists to make money, but at $13 a game? That's pure profit right there, considering gigabytes of bandwidth cost only pennies to companies. What if that UMD game you bought cost only a tenner, and now its going to cost even more to get it onto the Vita?

What the hell Sony? It'd be one thing if you weren't offering the service alltogether but why does Japan warrant it when North America (and in all likelyhood Europe too) doesn't?

Couldn't care less. Still buying a Vita, though not right off the bat. Like with the PSP, I will wait for a little bit until the library is bigger. The PSP is my favorite handheld of all time, and I imagine the Vita will at least come close. I refuse to focus on the negative like most of the people here. And I don't really see how this is news, since I wasn't expecting a transfer system in the first place.

I expect at least 5 "articles" on The Escapist this week about the Vita's color not being sleek, or the box that it comes in being too big.

Wow, these guys just don't want to sell anything. First it's expensive, then the memory cards are stupid expensive. Games are around $40, and now you have to repurchase your PSP games if you want to play them on your Vita. I know when this thing will start to sell really well though: When they enable custom firmwares and homebrew that allows you to play game backups. Just like with the PSP.

Though, there will definitely be a large bump in sales as soon as it releases here. But I think it'll be like the 3DS. Only the people really interested will get it initially, the rest of us will wait till the price drops. But, it's here to stay, that is for sure. People act like it's going to fail and they are just gonna abandon it. That isn't gonna happen. Perhaps everyone forgets Sony's projected bottom line for this fiscal year (it's down across the board). And the idea that they plan to lose money on the system for at least 3 years before starting to turn a profit. I'm relatively sure that is why they keep saying things like, "this is expected", about system sales.

So Sony has gone full retard?

This went from being funny to just being sad.

I love my psp and have a ton ofgames for it, jrpgs really flourished on the system and ive played dissidia more tahn any other game ive ever owned. There where some great quirky puzzle games on there too. I want a vita alot, but sony keeps on giving me reasons not to get one, its so expensive and tbh I want to know that my large investment isnt gonna go pear shaped because no one else buys one and games stop getting made for it. A 3ds looks intresting although i have no care for the 3d. I just want one portable system with a hardcore experience. In short damn you iphones although you brought out some intresting ideas andbroadened the market you destroyed the thing I love handheld gaming

Ninedeus:
Do they really want to make the Vita increasingly unappealing to PSP owners?
No UMD support: check
No improvements in battery: check
Single PSN/SEN account: check
Proprietary Vita Memory cards: check

No video out: check

Heh, I don't see the point then.

They don't have much in the way of games for it. They don't have backwards compatibility for it so that old games can make up FOR the lack of new games. They don't have certain titles which I'm reliably informed would allow the Vita to take off like the PSP did... If we already have a stable handheld device in the PSP already, why should anyone want to dedicate more money to a new one? Can you honestly say that whatever it DOES have is worth it, plus the burning of the PSP bridge behind you? I don't see it.

Actually, this is something that's been bothering me since the PS3 models were changed that way. I don't care if you can buy titles online. Classic gaming and the nostalgia curve is a trend that can only grow in power, due to the fact that these games don't go away...but accumulate. Do people always hope online to buy the classics? Hell no. Assuming they are paying ANYTHING for whatever it is, the money is going to people who build and/or pass around the classic stuff, the hard copies. All that stuff is slipping by like sand through your fingers because of no backwards compatibility. When you basically...create a market against your own product, you've failed.

That's too bad. Any reason why they aren't bringing such a feature to the US? Doesn't really seem to make sense not to - from a PR position, anyway.

Alright, Sony, time to go back to business school. Rule one of business is BE NICE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. Honestly, how the fuck do you expect people to want to give you their hard earned money on a LUXURY item if they don't like you? Valve knows this, hence why Steam is such a great platform, and why Nintendo handhelds have backwards compatibility.

This will kill the chance of Sony EVER making any game related thing in the futurue (it seems that way to me) cause of this. I won't be buying a Vita now.

Here's what Sony thinks is going to happen: people buy extra digital copies of all their games. Moneymoneymoneymoney.
Here's what's going to happen: people keep their bloody PSPs! (and, in the process, lose a certain amount of interest in the console that would not replace their original system, but would vie for their interest with a fraction of their old library and no way to transfer the stuff not already there.

Sony really needs to learn the power of an existing library. They're losing so many opportunities - even if it's only an option to pack all our games in a big box and send them to Sony to be transferred to our PSN accounts, an official method would work wonders for public perception. Too bad one of the head muffs in Sony America HQ is such an idiot...

i still have my psp and it's not going anywhere. i don't need umd transfer on vita.

Wow, that's really stupid. Hopefully, if you Americans complain enough, us Europeans might get it. So, go on, attack!

I don't really care about the backwards compatibility thing.

All I really want to know is if it can play ps2 games released on the playstation store.

Atmos Duality:
Sony...have you EVER NOTICED what Nintendo has done with literally EVERY NEW GENERATION OF THE GAMEBOY? Did you ever stop and wonder why they did that? Even just once?

They're #1 in handhelds for a few big reasons; and this is one of them.

no no no, you are not getting it, Sony is selling "to forecast".

see, you dont actually need a good console, handheld or otherwise to make a forcasted sale.

.....okay, I actually dont have any idea what that meant, so lets just go with "Making a profit is too mainstream".

It feels like people are complaining that they can not play NES games on their SNES.

If you own a PSP and have a collection of UMDs, just play your PSP games on your PSP. I get that it sucks not having your old games on your new console but to be honest, you already have the PSP with UMDs. It's not like Sony is coming to your house and taking your PSPs away...

kiri2tsubasa:
It feels like people are complaining that they can not play NES games on their SNES.

THANK YOU. People just love getting mad these days at the most minuscule crap.

and you wonder why they pirate the games so much. Although it would have been convenient I don't see that much of a problem. As long as I own my current psp i will be fine, but on the flip-side of that argument, the possible digital transfer was the only thing that had me going for it because god knows they did not have a game that i wanted ,besides that inversion game where you change the gravity, and the fact that dream drop is coming out on the 3ds....just keep digging that hole sony, just keep digging that hole. Well there is always the emulator they get up running. I know how to clone and make digital copies of my psp games so if they get the emulator working on it i'll be dandy. It sucks to be those in japan who have to pay for it right now.

I guess the universal media device isn't so... universal.

Wow, the list of reasons not to get this Piece of Shit keeps growing. I wonder how many other ways Sony can cripple this console before we actually get the chance not to buy it?

Funny really, Sony seems to be going the way of Sega in producing unwanted crap (Mega CD+32X vs PSP go) and making bad marketing decisions...wonder if the PS4 is going to fail as bad as the Dreamcast...

Foolishness Sony, foolishness.

This device is just a basket full of terrible design decisions.

I really do want the Vita to do well. I wont be getting one at launch because I just can't afford it, but I really do see the potential the system has. I am mostly just disappointed with the whole thing.

They'll have 3 proprietary memory cards under the Playstation name (technically 5 with 4 on the market: PSone memory card, PS2 Memory Card, Memory Stick Pro Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo Micro and now the Vita memory card). The 3 different cards for 3 different portable systems is just excessive. Here is an artistic reconstruction of Sony's thought process: "We have a new system coming out and it is going to need expanded memory. On the current market we have 2 products only compatible with our hardware that we could use. The problem is that these options are already discounted and if we do use them people will just buy them before we have retailers bring the prices back up. We'll make a new card so people who want to use our new system will have to spend money on new technology."

All of the UMD based games will not be accessible to the Vita, so if you want to play Vita games and UMD games you get to carry both systems around with you. Not very intuitive. By doing this they are asking consumers to embrace dead technology. That's like if software companies started releasing stuff on 3.5 floppy disks. Why would you ever go backwards?

Compare this to the 3DS: It has 99.9% reverse compatibility with the DS library (can't play guitar hero, but that game died with the DSi). The 3DS has 3 cameras as opposed to the DSi family's 2 cameras. Just like the DSi family, the 3DS comes with a 2 GB SD card. Most people don't even know there is an SD card. Why a 2GB SD card? Well I'm no expert, but I imagine it is because the card is cheap lowering production costs, SD is a proven technology and they just have a butt load of them laying around from when they made the Wii; this probably means that we will be seeing SD cards in many Nintendo products to come because Nintendo doesn't know what to do with them all (this last one is a joke). All of this means it is the DS family, but better.

The Vita cannot make a similar claim. The Vita is not the PSP but better; it is the PSPGo but better and sad to say I can't even claim that with a straight face. The Go had 16GB of on board memory.

In the current market, To be able to use the basic Vita properly in the US it will cost (Vita: $250, 4GB card: $20, 1 downloaded game: $35) about $305.
For $305 one could get:
3DS: $170, 3 games: 3x$40 and have a leftover $15.
32GB iTouch: $300 and $5 of apps (1-5 games depending on how you split it?)

No sane person would ever think the Vita in its current form was a good deal.

With everything Sony is doing, all they are telling me is to not let go of my PSP and I really don't need to upgrade for about 2 years. So I'm not going to let go of my PSP and I'm not going to upgrade for at least 2 years.

And for those of you complaining about us not wanting to get the new system, congratulations on your disposable income, but the rest of us cannot and will not waste our money on trash, let alone $300 on trash. We'll just wait until it becomes worthwhile and/or cheaper.

AzrealMaximillion:

kiri2tsubasa:
It feels like people are complaining that they can not play NES games on their SNES.

THANK YOU. People just love getting mad these days at the most minuscule crap.

In our defense you could have both the NES and SNES hooked up to the same TV and it isn't a big deal. It would be annoying to have a PSP and a Vita in separate pockets.

ila:
I'd rather that gaming continues to get better. I really don't think the recent trend of negative journalism is helping the case at all.

Self-entitled gamers? Negative journalism? You do of course realize everything happening right now is telling publishers exactly what we are willing to allow them to do to us, and this is a pivotal moment because it will effect all the next generations of consoles to come. They are trying to make gaming as utterly abysmal as possible while still raking in the profit, but they can only go as far as we allow them. Did you know Sony already wanted to make it so used and rented games wouldn't work on their console? (you know, that thing that the next X-box is rumored to do?) The reason why that didn't happen is because they knew we would bitch, and many wouldn't buy such a console. The day that we will succumb to their ridiculous stipulations on how games should be played, is the day they will do those kind of things. They have already expressed interest in doing these things publicly, and the only thing stopping them is us. So yes, everyone needs to complain as loud as possible. Negative articles need to be made in the hundreds, in the thousands. Companies need to know we won't buy their products from them if they are determined to make the experience as lackluster as possible. The reason why the Vita is having that program in Japan and not the US is because Sony thinks they get get away with it. Lets tell them they can't, so they will stop trying to screw us over. If you really wanted Sony to succeed you would be more inclined to direct your disapproval towards them instead of the people who are supposed to be buying their products, that way Sony changes their sloppy business pratices and actualy gives consumers what they want. Then their stuff would sell more and they would get more money.

If you think it is self entitlement to want basic and common functionality with consoles, (particularly functionality you know can be achieved, as it is being granted to other countries) then I would hate to see what you would 'allow' a company to do to you before you refused to by one.

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