EA Wants "To Be 90 Plus Metacritic at Everything"

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EA wants Origin to be the Facebook to Steam's MySpace.

Facebook gathers the information you put on your page, records your IP then sells it to other corporations without asking you.

Origin is glorified spyware despite insistent denial from EA.

They want Origin to be the FACEBOOK to Steam's "MySpace"?

EA really is a Satanic corporation...

Captcha again: virtue of necessity

sunsetspawn:
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LOL!

And it closed at 12.11 today.

Let's see EA's stock can fall into the single digits by August.

Except EA has neglected to realize that Steam is ever changing, ever improving. It does not stagnate. When someone else comes up with an idea, Valve takes it, refines it and implements it better than anybody else. Steam is probably the only DRM system that fans actually appreciate.

This just in: EA wants to keep doing what they're doing but to be Valve anyway.

animehermit:

leet_x1337:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Also, you used an ad hominem yourself when you said that only people with no leg to stand on quote Ayn Rand.

Actually the definition of insanity is:

the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind.

I wasn't attack him personally just insinuating that he was using a logical fallacy to jump on a bandwagon.

Which doesn't excuse your earlier ad-hominem of trying to discredit his quote.

Wicky_42:

You misunderstand - it's kinda pointless having the option to start in offline mode if there's no connection, but requiring a connection to do that. If there's no internet connection, but you've previously used the licenses for the games on that machine, why on earth shouldn't you be able to play them if your internet goes down? It just feels like there's something a bit broken with the offline mode.

But yeah, once offline it works fine; it's just getting there that's a bit unintuitive.

To get "start in offline mode" to work properly you have to have the "remember my password" thing checked off. If you don't have that checked off Steam won't let you access it until you have internet. That is simply because it doesn't know what profile you are trying to access if you don't let it hold onto your account password and such.

It took me forever to finally figure that out, but now I can get onto Steam when my laptop doesn't have internet at all. Although the last time I checked, Steam should identify the last profile that was logged in and use that to start offline mode. That last bit is a fairly new addition to Steam's functionality. It works flawlessly for me, so I hope it works for you too.

OT: Anyway, EA deeply annoys me. I only use Origin for BF3 and I can't stand it. Luckily for me I'm done with EA games from now on. Not just because I don't like EA, but because all of their new games genuinely don't interest me. I suppose Sim City and Command and Conquer: Generals 2 are somewhat intriguing, but they aren't intriguing enough to justify having to deal with Origin even more.

GryffinDarkBreed:
Except EA has neglected to realize that Steam is ever changing, ever improving. It does not stagnate. When someone else comes up with an idea, Valve takes it, refines it and implements it better than anybody else. Steam is probably the only DRM system that fans actually appreciate.

It also fails to acknowlege that STEAM has the wares of a lot of companies, and also offers frequent deep discounts, something that EA and other services have claimed they will not do, even going so far as to claim it devalues intellectual properties. In the final equasion nobody is going to beat STEAM unless they can beat their prices. No matter what incentives a company offers very little is going to beat getting decent, fairly new, games for like $10 a pop.

Not to mention that the appeal of having all your stuff in one place. As my crazy sized STEAM library grows, I increasingly find myself buying from STEAM when a hardcopy isn't viable or self contained, even when I buy something brandy new and at full price, just to keep all my digital games split between as few places as possible.

STEAM could be archaic and not innovate a thing, and I'd still use them due to their prices, and sheer inertia due to having done this much business with them so far.

leet_x1337:

animehermit:

leet_x1337:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Also, you used an ad hominem yourself when you said that only people with no leg to stand on quote Ayn Rand.

Actually the definition of insanity is:

the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind.

I wasn't attack him personally just insinuating that he was using a logical fallacy to jump on a bandwagon.

Which doesn't excuse your earlier ad-hominem of trying to discredit his quote.

I don't think you understand what that means.

Grey Carter:

EA wants Origin to be the Facebook to Steam's MySpace.

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I seriously want to antagonize EA directly for this.

Better games make better scores, EA. Better games require time, patience, and dedication, not cheap swill rushed out as fast as can be. As for Origin--of course Newell has talked about it, you got all huffy and took your toys away from those that were playing with them, so that you could charge them to continue to play with them, while Steam just kind of shrugged it's shoulders, and brought out some new toys to make us happy in their place.

Gearhead mk2:
I don't know wether to laugh at them for their stupidy, rage at them for their arrogance, or just go "meh" and watch as their company blows up from the inside out.

Blow up from all those AAA releases EA keeps putting out and gamers keep gobbling up you mean. I don't agree with their business practices, but you cannot deny that they publish games that a lot of players want to buy.

itsthesheppy:

I dunno man. EA makes bad games, sure, but a) one of the reasons they make bad games is fishing for high metacritic scores, and b) other companies do that too. Even if EA was a terribad factory (and it is) , metacritic makes other companies be terribad too.

Metacritic is only part of why EA makes "bad" games, though. Most of it is fiscal policies decided by the executives. Now, they may want high metascores, but they also want max cash. That means the decisions mostly come from external deals, like the notion that removing content and calling it DLC or the proposed "charging for bullets" mentality is positive.

Metacritic is not without its flaws, but EA is setting a market standard on online passes, on-disc DLC, and baby eating. >.>

Because we just didn't have enough proof that the people in charge of Origin were delusional, here we have a goal that can't be met anywhere short of bribery (which is hardly above most major developers, mind you) to make an effort to look really, really good on a site most people who actually play their games don't even give two shits about.

I'd say they've lost their minds, but this is how everyone's acting these days, with only a few exceptions, so maybe I'm the crazy one.

90+ on Metacritic for everything?
They'll be forced to only focus on releasing about 4 games per year, and I've never really thought of EA as a publisher that strictly promoted "quality over quantity."

Ed130:

Greg Waller:
This just reaffirms my determination to never again sink money into these assholes' coffers.

BOYCOTT EA, NO MATTER WHAT THEY RELEASE.

If you don't buy anything because they release nothing you want anymore, does that count as a boycott?

I'm saying that I'm boycotting them REGARDLESS of what they release in the future, even if it's something I really, really want. I'm not dropping another stinking penny on these bastards, no matter what.

Daystar Clarion:
Wow.

I can't actually believe this.

It's like EA have no idea how much people hate them :D

They're the Cartman of the gaming world.

True words from a master.

OT: seriously though, EA needs to just go and die already along with that shit-stain of a conpitition to steam.

sunsetspawn:

sunsetspawn:
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LOL!

And it closed at 12.11 today.

Let's see EA's stock can fall into the single digits by August.

Bu- but what if it does... And then gets bought be Activision? D:

Good on em I guess, nothing wrong with wanting to have quality products. I guess the real worry comes from whether or not they're "buying" reviews... I don't know where to go from there, I tend to READ reviews rather than just look at numbers.

sunsetspawn:

sunsetspawn:
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LOL!

And it closed at 12.11 today.

Let's see EA's stock can fall into the single digits by August.

You know EA is fucked when it's actually cheaper to buy a piece of the company than play a month of TOR.

EA has shareholders to please first. While Valve only has Fans to please. Lets face it EA. You are NEVER going to be anywhere near Steam or valve's reputation. Just accept your second place in digital distribution and last place in Fandom.Seriously guys wtf... Mass effect was my favourite franchise and now i'm boycotting the third because of that bullshit ending. The extended cut gave us either more fighting or the plot holes we had already figured out.

Jack and Calumon:
Oh this looks familiar. EA bad mouthing other people's products without actually making their own better.

Just every company, politician, and debate ever.

EA has carved themselves into a financial hole with its exorbitant production costs and thinks that charging for petty ad-ons can stave off their collapse. However, I think that EA sees Origin as its way out of all of this.

People treat Valve and EA like polar opposites in the gaming industry. Whenever people ask what EA can do to become better, 80% of people respond with, "just copy Valve." Ladies and gentlemen, you reap what you sow. EA is trying to become just like Valve. Each company seeks to use its digital game distribution service to become the backbone of its income, meanwhile producing games terribly inefficiently, quality notwithstanding.

EA have no idea what they are doing. Their handling of Origin is just horrible. I bought Crysis 2 at Half Price Books for $7, popped in the disk, installed origin, installed Crysis 2, uninstalled Origin, and proceeded to play Crysis 2 online. It didn't even notice I circumvented Origin. EA actually forgot to make some kind of connection between the game and Origin to make sure you're using it. Yeah. They have no idea what they're doing.

Silly EA, that's why you're paying off reviewers!

And 12 million people have downloaded Origin because it's an invasive program that somehow forced itself onto my computer. So I downloaded it, yes, but for the sole purpose of getting it to shut the fuck up every time I boot up.

I've never used it, I never will, and it sucks that EA is such a shitty company because I do want to buy and play Battlefield3 and the Sims 3, but I refuse to do business with EA.

After years of seeing what happend to EA Games, I miss old NFS and C&C. :( I feel pity at Bioware and Mythic since they own them. Well, I'll laugh a bit. I know EA, I played SWToR, and watched ME3 on my brothers PC (glad I didn't buy it, I boycotted EA after SWToR, I should have done it earlier after NFS and C&C problems). But to make my point brief below:

If you have to have a competitor say something about you to validate yourself, you already are in a bad spot. I uninstalled Origin after downloading SWToR, it is annoying in how it is made and doesn't go the extra mile to make you want to like it. It's EA anyway to me, won't happen.

ye well what you want and what you get are two different things

Terminate421:

uncanny474:

Jack and Calumon:
removing the horror from Dead Space for action

Wait, Dead Space is a HORROR game?

No, I call bullshit. There's no way that someone could fail that bad at making a horror game. It's quite clearly an action game, albiet one with an interesting ammo-management system that does seem to be taken from the horror genre.

Any game where the primary weapon severs limbs cannot be a horror game. Hell, if you have a weapon at ALL, you're drifting from that spot.
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Its a horror game.

I'm guessing that Alien, Dracula, Friday the 13th, Aliens and every other horror movie ever made are not horror movies or don't have horror in them because a gun/weapon exists?

Dead Space ain't terrifyingly scary but it certainly is horror whether you like it or not.

OT: EA making bold statements and fucking up what made Dead Space great.....*sigh*

Your both right and wrong. The best definition between Fantasy and Horror I've ever read is that in Fantasy the heroes are generally equal to the challenges they face, in Horror they are not. The inclusion of suspense and doubt (dramatic tension) does not actually make something horror, nor does a lack of definition in of itself. Ideally horror has to come from an understanding and definition of something to be afraid of, if only a phenomena.

Of the works you mention, "Friday The 13th" probably comes closest to being horror in general, because it has a known, terrifying quality, and the protaganists are never a match for Jason Vorhees/The Curse Of Crystal Lake, though admittedly some installments were fantasy as they included elements that were a match for him even if he wound up with an edge (such as fighting a psionic, or being in space where he battled a robot). In "Alien" Ripley and the other crew members are strong/talented enough where the threat they were facing could have gone either way, indeed it could be argued that they only reason they had such a problem was the X-factor of their android having another agenda. In "Aliens" the Marines were more than a match for the aliens, the real tension coming from them not being able to use their weapons properly to begin with due to feat of damaging the reactor ... which set the stage for putting them on the defensive after losing a good part of the unit. Had it not been for the corperate "X factor" and had they gone in properly to begin with, that entire scenario would have played out differantly... again it's more "dark fantasy" than horror by this definition.

In "Dead Space" I really never have much doubt as to whether Issac can deal with the situation, while the Necromorphs are ugly and can kill him, so can a lot of things, and with his arsenal most of the time he's more exterminating them when they get in his way than anything. Sure it has an atmosphere where a lot of people died, but so does a war movie.

Another important area to consider is that horror also has to take people out of their comfort area and scare the person seeing it. Something few creators are willing to do because they fear contreversy. This is one of the big problems with these properties. In Dead Space for example nothing about "OMG, there are space monsters" is outside of the comfort area of a player of a video game because we've seen it all before. Heck, when you get down to it "Dead Space" isn't all that differant from the game "Xenophobia" from way back in the day, it's just stylized differantly (ie less cartoony and without the Star Trek theme).

For a video game to really be horror it has to get into things people are not comfortable with. Rape, torture, ultraviolence beyond what we see, and of course most importantly putting the protaganists in a position where they seem constantly vulnerable and are themselves probably victimized. Pretty much a lot of the things you see people freaking out about now are what a horror game needs to include, and push the envelope with, which the industry is generally unwilling to do because of the uncontrolled contreversy and how upset genuinely scared people who aren't horror fans (and enjoy it, at least retroactively) are going to be.

Even if a story involves turning the tables and "winning" in the final act, the entire situation should seem like a torment filled non-win scenario before that, wheter you can fight and win to againstg some of the threat or not (and being able to do so makes sense in many cases, the point is that in horror being able to take out a monster shouldn't nessicarly feel like it matters that much. Unlike Dead Space where you have clear objectives, so despite the numbers, clearing them out before you do whatever is a clear victory and brings you closer to dealing with the entire problem).

I'll also say that in many horror stories there isn't a video-game like "victory" involved. The protaganists merely manage to escape, OR wait for some kind of timer to wear down, such as a scenario where a bunch of people at a halloween party in some stupid location unleash a horror that is allowed to kill at will for that specific night, and in the end the survivors keep breathing because they manage to barely stay alive until the next day. Likewise, while being able to "kill" a monster that is physical makes sense, in a lot of horror that is at best a temporary solution as it just reforms, or gets back up after a period of time. At least to begin with "Nightmare On Elm Street" was horror, especially when it was new as an idea. Freddy gets his arse kicked multiple times in a lot of the movies, but the thing is that he ALWAYS comes back and once he knows what to expect he's going to adapt to you better than you can adapt what you have to him, clobbering Freddy is a temporary solution that tends to work exactly once if you can pull it off (and not everyone can, several people who try wind up losing during the initial confrontation) the notable exception of course being the so called "Dream Master" which is about the time it stopped being horror and turning into fantasy as you wound up with more of a hero/villain dynamic with people dying in the crossfire. Once they defined that relationship/opposition fully it kind of became a situation where you'd wait for an inevitable hero/villain confrontation more than anything.

*sigh* I wish TOR and Bioware could get bought by another publisher, or something.

I don't want to loose TOR, I love that MMO. :(

Valis88:
*sigh* I wish TOR and Bioware could get bought by another publisher, or something.

I don't want to loose TOR, I love that MMO. :(

give it a few years and there's a pretty good chance a great many US video game companies will end up owned by Chinese ones.

Ragsnstitches:
"over 12 million downloaded it"

Yeah, because you essentially stuffed it down their throats with the major releases of Battlefield and TOR Mass Effect 3. I wonder if your sources can tell you how many deleted the application and vowed never to use it ever again.

Unlike Valve, which offers matchmaking (not amazing, but alright), Community (good for messaging and organising events) and great customer support, all Origin offers is another platform for buying expensive games.

The Social platform analogy is retarded, because they are Free to anyone. The best way to appeal to larger audiences in the game industry is by being price competitive and having a user friendly service. But no, EA will enforce exclusivity and feels that fire sales "cheapen IP". It will also assume its potential customers are too stupid to formulate a coherent opinion, and will therefore tell us why we dislike them.

In fact, GoG, with their good faith business, will likely outperform Origin in the long run, simply by being nice.

Well, steam got shoved down a lot of people's throats, but atleast it's useful, and I haven't heard a spyware claim on it yet.

OT:
I just can't stop laughing at how arragont EA is.
They are just kind of denying that they've lost the dd market.
Hell, even gamestops DD has deals like weekly, I've heard of something like this on origin ONCE.

MASTACHIEFPWN:

Ragsnstitches:
"over 12 million downloaded it"

Yeah, because you essentially stuffed it down their throats with the major releases of Battlefield and TOR Mass Effect 3. I wonder if your sources can tell you how many deleted the application and vowed never to use it ever again.

Unlike Valve, which offers matchmaking (not amazing, but alright), Community (good for messaging and organising events) and great customer support, all Origin offers is another platform for buying expensive games.

The Social platform analogy is retarded, because they are Free to anyone. The best way to appeal to larger audiences in the game industry is by being price competitive and having a user friendly service. But no, EA will enforce exclusivity and feels that fire sales "cheapen IP". It will also assume its potential customers are too stupid to formulate a coherent opinion, and will therefore tell us why we dislike them.

In fact, GoG, with their good faith business, will likely outperform Origin in the long run, simply by being nice.

Well, steam got shoved down a lot of people's throats, but atleast it's useful, and I haven't heard a spyware claim on it yet.

OT:
I just can't stop laughing at how arragont EA is.
They are just kind of denying that they've lost the dd market.
Hell, even gamestops DD has deals like weekly, I've heard of something like this on origin ONCE.

Thats true. I had a lot of grief getting steam running (no internet) when I got Half-Life 2 on retail (on release). Steam was also a pretty shoddy platform when it first launched. Maybe I'm being too harsh on them (EA).

Of course steam didn't have any competition, was backed by a company who has far less of a muddled and dingy history and has actually done wonders for the PC community rather then ditching them for the upcoming Console generations (only now seeing the value of having a core PC audience that transcends generational tech). EAs origin seems to want a piece of Steams pie... but seems to be making every step a misstep.

In a market with figures like Steam, Direct2Drive and Good Old Games, Origin is the one that stands furthest apart... as the big obnoxious block head who is throwing a tantrum because they don't have their hands in every cookie jar imaginable.

I'll put it another way. There was no shit flinging with any of the early platforms, but as soon as EA enters the fray, they flung there first shit at Steam... by of all things claiming they were cheapening IP with there sales.

With their history, that is some fucking gall.

Sadly, facts are, Origin will beat GoG, purely because they're so big and people will keep on handing over money to EA, no matter how many hoops they're made to jump thru to be allowed to rent a game for a while from them.

In a way, there's nothing really wrong with aspiring to get 90% scores at a review site, but perhaps don't say it publicly.

I remember working in a music store, and we had great service, we'd recommend new bands , learn regular customers' likes, let em listen to new stuff in store, etc, and of course, our store died on its arse because we don't have the buying power of supermarkets, who, instead of stocking 5,000 different titles so customers have a wide and interesting choice, stock the top 20 and discount them by buying 10,000 copies of each.

It's a shame, but being the good guy can't beat being the biggest. In the end, it seems customers won't assign any value to customer service, if they can save a dollar.

Our own hope is, that being in the video game market, us as consumers can be a bit smarter and a bit more educated about things, and take our money to companies that aren't screwing with us.

Terminate421:

uncanny474:

Jack and Calumon:
removing the horror from Dead Space for action

Wait, Dead Space is a HORROR game?

No, I call bullshit. There's no way that someone could fail that bad at making a horror game. It's quite clearly an action game, albiet one with an interesting ammo-management system that does seem to be taken from the horror genre.

Any game where the primary weapon severs limbs cannot be a horror game. Hell, if you have a weapon at ALL, you're drifting from that spot.
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Its a horror game.

I'm guessing that Alien, Dracula, Friday the 13th, Aliens and every other horror movie ever made are not horror movies or don't have horror in them because a gun/weapon exists?

Dead Space ain't terrifyingly scary but it certainly is horror whether you like it or not.

OT: EA making bold statements and fucking up what made Dead Space great.....*sigh*

Ok you are comparing movies to games, not a wise decision. In an interactive medium such as a game there is a sense of security to yourself for having a weapon and being able to chop the monsters up effortlessly. This is not horror, this is action.

Games that smother you in guns and protection are not horror, they are action games.

Jack and Calumon:

uncanny474:

Jack and Calumon:
removing the horror from Dead Space for action

Wait, Dead Space is a HORROR game?

No, I call bullshit. There's no way that someone could fail that bad at making a horror game. It's quite clearly an action game, albiet one with an interesting ammo-management system that does seem to be taken from the horror genre.

Any game where the primary weapon severs limbs cannot be a horror game. Hell, if you have a weapon at ALL, you're drifting from that spot.

Not to be another of Yahtzee's gherkin-polishers, but horror, whether it's in a movie, a video game, or a book, is about pacing and suspense. Slasher flicks are not horror movies, Halo is not a horror franchise, and saying that Dead Space was horror is an insult to the genre. Hell, speaking of Halo, even THAT'S better-paced than Dead Space.

It's more horror than what it's doing now, that's for sure!

"More horror" <> Horror. If Hl2 had "more puzzles" would it become a puzzle game?

I'm seeing a lot of Metacritic critisism that I don't quite understand. The website is nothing but an aggregator, sorta like Rotten Tomaotes, giving a verdict in precentage based on what most game critics think about a product.

The website can hardly be blamed for affecting game sales when all they do is accumulating opinions expressed by other journalists. There will always who'll let bad reception keep them from buying a title, and they'd still be doing that without websites like Metacritic, and without it, they'd jsut search and find their reviews themselves. That might even be worse as they will base their decision on less sources than Metacritic would've provided.

When we understand this, the statement by EA games seems at least slightly less preposterous when really, all they're saying is that they wan't to game games that are received well by critics. With other words - they want to make good games. Doesn't seem like such a controversial thing to me.

The denial is so thick I could beat a goat to death with it.

And am I the only one who found it a little disconcerting that DeMartini referred to Origin as a "mousetrap"? I know it was a metaphor, but damn . . .

Good luck, my former business partners on that front. I'll donate my whole life savings of credits to charity if that ever happens.

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