Wil Wheaton Announces "Don't Be a Dick Day"

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Phasmal:

Mr Cwtchy:

Phasmal:
Only on the internet can you get a bunch of people rage at you for suggesting people not be dicks.

Oh, well.
I don't know why everyone is so defensive of people who want to be dicks.

I think you'll find much of the rage is directed at the quote mentioned after the main piece:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like ... don't be a dick."

Granted the quote itself is from a long while ago, but put in the context of the rest of the article it gives an impression is slightly... off.

Yeah, it's pretty simple to realise that it means don't flip out just because someone is a woman.
I don't mind getting shit for how well I'm playing or if I screw something up, but the `UR A WOMAN` stuff is just fucking stupid and needs to stop.

But I guess it's easier to flip out and scream feminazi ;)

Usually is. This being the interwebs after all, with its hatred of feminism and strange obsession with Nazis they end up going hand in hand. :/

Mr.Tea:

Crono1973:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like... don't be a dick."

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

It's ok to be a dick as long as you're a dick to everyone?

That just makes you more of a dick...

How about not being a dick in the first place?

Or, as he put it: "Don't be a dick."

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

Mr Cwtchy:

Phasmal:
Only on the internet can you get a bunch of people rage at you for suggesting people not be dicks.

Oh, well.
I don't know why everyone is so defensive of people who want to be dicks.

I think you'll find much of the rage is directed at the quote mentioned after the main piece:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like ... don't be a dick."

Granted the quote itself is from a long while ago, but put in the context of the rest of the article it gives an impression that is slightly... off.

But it's just so classy that, whenever someone with a female username appears in game, to ask them to show you their tits, or make you a sandwich, or suck your dick, or to cyber, or to get back into the kitchen, or go back to playing with dolls...

And it sucks that nobody understands that you're, like, totally being ironic, because that's not the right way to treat the bitches.

ElPatron:

Revnak:
So women should just stay the fuck out of competitive gaming if they like fighting games then (that was he fiasco I was referring to)?

Another of them straw-men creeping?

See that little note. That was your invitation to tell me that I was mistaken and that we were not talking about the same thing. Instead you called strawman. Good job.

What I'm talking about is an actual thing. There is a lot of hate in the competitive fighting game scene. That is what I was talking about.

Revnak:
The number of games where women are treated even decently in the in-game chat is pretty damn slim.

And the number of games were men are nor insulted too?

Why am I arguing this, you said gaming communities (and there are communities dedicated to women, even female-only clans) and now you are talking about games?

Did I say not insulted? No, I said treated decently. Women are treated worse in most games. Yes, there is harassment against men as well which should also not occur, but women get worse shit in most games.

And I apologize for assuming games would be included in the term gaming community.

Revnak:
You shouldn't be looking for dates in game. You should be allowed to make friends though. It seems odd that you automatically jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about hitting on people because that is part of what is so wrong with most gaming communities. That kind of crap happens all the time. It's making friends that never happens.

Not all dates are romantic, I just mentioned "hitting on" at the end. Anyway, there's plenty of places to be friends because I really hate background radio chatter that is not related to the game.

And if things actually get better, why would you want to be friends with people that in the past were probably the same people that were part of the problem?

I like chatting with friends in games and having fun with them. Fun is the whole point with me.

And I would like to be friends with them because most people are just bystanders flooded out by the bullshit. And because I'm the forgive and forget type.

Revnak:
Mutual appreciation of the game is what I meant.

Mutual appreciation of the game, and mutual dehumanization of the opponent.

Revnak:
Most gaming communities are founded around liking a game. They should accept all the non-shitheads that like the game. Instead they often are just fine with the shit-heads and exclude others because members of the community just let the shit-heads do as they please. I would rather get rid of the shit-heads. They're in the wrong. And you can't just use a different in-game chat, at least not without being excluded from most of the game's community.

Really? How about private ventrillo and teamspeak servers? Or skype? How about the fact that different Call of Duty servers have their own text chat that cannot be read by people on different servers?

Chat in a League of Legends match cannot be read by people outside it.

I seriously do not get your point, and if shit-heads do as they please and nobody is doing anything then it's time to leave.

If you're using those outside methods of communication are you excluding yourself from part of the community? Pretty certain that's a yes. If you're ignoring the in-game chat to avoid abuse then your range of interaction is being limited by abusive people. That is bad. The solution is not just to deal with it, the solution is to get rid of the abusers.

I don't play cod. My comment about games I play was adding to the list, not me saying I play those games. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Or it's time to get rid of the shit-heads.

Oh man this was a funny thread and turned into a damn gender issue.

Seriously, there is a difference between calling your buddy a fucking douche for camping or whatever cuss words you use. And then a woman joins and the neckbeards yell out in force "GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN" "OMG A GIRL" "YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME".

Sorry, but woman are treated more dick-ish online so Wil just wants everyone to stop being a dick, period.

Kerboom:

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

I think the point Mr.Wheaton was focusing on was "Don't be a dick."

I know, I know, you really have to read between the lines to extrapolate this subtle meaning, but I think that was the important part.

Revnak:
See that little note. That was your invitation to tell me that I was mistaken and that we were not talking about the same thing. Instead you called strawman. Good job.

Well them stop erecting your own representations of my person and arguing against them.

Revnak:
What I'm talking about is an actual thing. There is a lot of hate in the competitive fighting game scene. That is what I was talking about.

Okay, now the information I am getting is different. Apparently people have to be douches to be pros or being pro makes them douches. Either way, now the issue is more about the competitive scene than with women.

Make a female division like actual sports? That way women can hate each other. I don't know, I don't even know if there are enough women playing Street Fighter in a professional level to start a whole new division, but if they are a minority then I don't see the problem being solved unless you kill/force those people out of competition.

Revnak:
Did I say not insulted? No, I said treated decently. Women are treated worse in most games. Yes, there is harassment against men as well which should also not occur, but women get worse shit in most games.

Fine, treated "decently".

Revnak:
And I apologize for assuming games would be included in the term gaming community.

Well, while I was making up the bullshit I try to pass as arguments in my mind I imagined those female-oriented gaming websites and forums. Heck, there's even a site for gay gamers. And even female clans.

When you mention games I am back to the in-game shit talk and harassment fest that simply I have chosen to ignore.

Simply it's different to have contact with a community - such as the Escapist, where you can contact with a lot of people and jump from forum section reading about others and discussing things - and just having contact with a "community" - the other 15 assholes that the matchmaking service grouped for your entertainment in the next 10 minutes.

Communities are girlfriends, in-game acquaintances are prostitutes. There's a good chance I won't have to see them again unless I want.

Revnak:
I like chatting with friends in games and having fun with them. Fun is the whole point with me.

I also like friends. That's why I don't let random assholes ruin it for me.

Revnak:
If you're using those outside methods of communication are you excluding yourself from part of the community? Pretty certain that's a yes. If you're ignoring the in-game chat to avoid abuse then your range of interaction is being limited by abusive people. That is bad. The solution is not just to deal with it, the solution is to get rid of the abusers.

I don't play cod. My comment about games I play was adding to the list, not me saying I play those games. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Or it's time to get rid of the shit-heads.

Uh, no.

If there is a clan, there is a small community. That interacts with other clans inside a larger community. Perhaps an amateur league, even. Whatever.

If there is a gaming community, perhaps the teamspeak server even has different rooms such as the lobby, separate channels for specific games, etc. It's a bigger community.

Forums. Huge Community.

Hardly a way of excluding yourself from the community. Specially if the text chat and voip (if it exists) are not being used for anything.

In BF2 there was a pretty good VoIP system. Each squad talked between them, not to the whole team. Sadly not many use it, because it hardly gave any room to abuse - you couldn't insult opponents and any abuse could be reported to server admins. Also, leaving the squad would cut the link.

In game talk with random people. Net worth equal to cow poo.

Revnak:
If you're ignoring the in-game chat to avoid abuse then your range of interaction is being limited by abusive people. That is bad.

No, I ignore the in-game chat because anything worth reading is never said/written in there.

My range of interaction is shooting people in the face. If the purpose of the game was talking, then it would make sense to include that in my list of "interactions".

Captcha: hit the hay

lol

Kerboom:

Mr.Tea:

Crono1973:

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

It's ok to be a dick as long as you're a dick to everyone?

That just makes you more of a dick...

How about not being a dick in the first place?

Or, as he put it: "Don't be a dick."

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

Exactly!

I don't even play online so I am not a dick to anyone on there but in real life I don't treat people any different based on their skin color, gender, etc... I do get tired of being told that as a white, heterosexual male that I should be nicer to everyone who is not white, heterosexual and male.

Will Wheaton telling people not to be a dick is like TotalBiscuit telling people not to be a dick - You have to take the message for what it is, while at the same time suppressing a sarcastic belly-laugh because of who's saying it.

That said, I see the thread is hijacked by another self-justification over feminism/non-feminism war so I'll just politely bow out.

NinjaDeathSlap:
How to become disappoint in 1 easy step...

Step 1: Challenge the internet to better itself.

QFT.

Asking the internet not to be a dick is a surefire way to get your hopes dashed.

On a related note, I've been a dick all day today. I see no reason to stop now: screw you, Wil Wheaton!

I decide when I'm not a dick :P not some arbitrary day.

Crono1973:

Kerboom:

Mr.Tea:

It's ok to be a dick as long as you're a dick to everyone?

That just makes you more of a dick...

How about not being a dick in the first place?

Or, as he put it: "Don't be a dick."

snip

Exactly!

I don't even play online so I am not a dick to anyone on there but in real life I don't treat people any different based on their skin color, gender, etc... I do get tired of being told that as a white, heterosexual male that I should be nicer to everyone who is not white, heterosexual and male.

THIS!

OT: Wil Wheaton is actually an awesome dude, even though he played a less than awesome one in TNG

I do it all day everyday, so I guess I can be less of a dick even though I am mostly not a dick.

Arg, this could get confusing for the 'not dicks' people. X_X

Still Happy Birthday Will when that day comes. :D

EDIT: Crap...I missed it. Anyway I wasn't a dick yesterday though.

I have a hard time believing this will do anything. People who would follow "Don't Be a Dick Day" probably aren't dicks most days. While the people who are dicks most days wouldn't care about "Don't Be a Dick Day."

It's funny seeing this while watching the big bang theory xD.

Crono1973:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like... don't be a dick."

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Or maybe he's talking specifically about people who make sexist comments towards women?

You know, those dicks who quip, "Shouldn't you be making me a sandwich?" or "You have an Xbox in the kitchen?" -_-

It's a better message than most, in all its simplicity, but otherwise; frankly, this guy has about as much punch in his always mentioned status, as a random person with a beard.

How did Will Wheaton turn from the most annoying person on Star Trek.. To someone who is a major part of nerd culture? Was it the Guild?

Cyrus Hanley:

Crono1973:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like... don't be a dick."

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Or maybe he's talking specifically about people who make sexist comments towards women?

You know, those dicks who quip, "Shouldn't you be making me a sandwich?" or "You have an Xbox in the kitchen?" -_-

Looks to me like he talking "to guys who play video games".

Khazoth:
How did Will Wheaton turn from the most annoying person on Star Trek.. To someone who is a major part of nerd culture? Was it the Guild?

He was a nerd on Star Trek too. That's what everyone hated about him.

Crono1973:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like... don't be a dick."

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Kerboom:

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

But seriously, as soon as you hear a female voice on a CoD lobby, the flaming starts. If said girl says as much as "Good match", she gets insulted. "Go back to the kitchen!", "lmao noob!", "stfu whore!" and such. Now, if a guy says "Good match", you would immediately think something like "Oh, how polite" or "Yeah, it truly was". I don't think girls like to be treated as princess and expect people to literally die for them. They just want to be treated equally. Seriously, dick guys. Try it for one day. Pretend that girl in that CoD match is just another guy.

The problem here is that women TRY to be treated equally but there are guy dicks out there who refuse to accept this. Hey, if a girl is being a dick, then by all means, be a dick too if you feel like it. But I've found out that that's pretty rare. As a matter of fact, most girls avoid interacting with people online because of that. So I think the argument here is: If someone's not being a dick to you, then don't be a dick yourself.

Well I almost made it the whole day, then I started playing Call of Duty and it went down hill from there...

Crono1973:

Cyrus Hanley:

Crono1973:

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Or maybe he's talking specifically about people who make sexist comments towards women?

You know, those dicks who quip, "Shouldn't you be making me a sandwich?" or "You have an Xbox in the kitchen?" -_-

Looks to me like he talking "to guys who play video games".

Khazoth:
How did Will Wheaton turn from the most annoying person on Star Trek.. To someone who is a major part of nerd culture? Was it the Guild?

He was a nerd on Star Trek too. That's what everyone hated about him.

To guys who play video games - dont be a dick when a woman joins the game
When a woman JOINS THE GAME.
At the point of joining the game nobody could have done anything worthy of getting shit, but many women get shit just for being women online. Just join a game and talk and the shit comes in.
It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

I have NO PROBLEM with smack talk in regards to how I am playing or if someone else is raging. There is no reason to flame me just for saying `Spy` over voice-chat.*

*Before anyone says `that doesn't happen.` It does.

Beautiful End:

Crono1973:

"I actually have a thing to say to guys who play video games," he said. "When a woman joins the game, like... don't be a dick."

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Kerboom:

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

But seriously, as soon as you hear a female voice on a CoD lobby, the flaming starts. If said girl says as much as "Good match", she gets insulted. "Go back to the kitchen!", "lmao noob!", "stfu whore!" and such. Now, if a guy says "Good match", you would immediately think something like "Oh, how polite" or "Yeah, it truly was".

Erm, what? I sincerely hope you're joking because well...

I have been playing World Of Tanks all day. Community is pretty nice, the nicest i've played with in fact and people are quite chilled and helpful. Do you know what happens when I type GG in chat?

I will get told to stfu, go play kid's games and that my mother was more than likely a whore.

COD? For turning on my mic I get that. For saying GG i'll have my own team sabotage or kill me, depending on the game mode and I will relentlessly called a basement virgin, a bastard, a neckbeard, a motherless twat or any combination of the above.

I don't think it's just women that get it. People who are dicks online are dicks to everyone, I just have a feeling they hear a girl and then decide to use it as part of the insults as personalized insults are more effective.

dogstile:

Beautiful End:

Crono1973:

Being a Trek fan and thinking Wheaton was a pretty cool guy I had nothing but respect for him but this quote just means he's caught up in this PC bullshit too.

Listen folks, women want to be treated equally so they should be. If you're a dick to other guys, then you SHOULD be a dick to women too. Anything else is preferential treatment.

Watch how many women come along to defend preferential treatment.

Kerboom:

I think the point was focusing on how he said "When a woman joins the game, don't be a dick".

Specifying that you shouldn't be a dick just because a woman joins a game is preferential treatment, and therefore sexist. Why shouldn't I be dick? I'm probably going to be a dick to every other douchebag in the game, so why the fuck would I give her preferential treatment because her username is "0MGG4M3RGUR1"?

Seriously. That's the kind of fucked up ridiculous bullshit that extreme feminists push on people, that we have to be nicer to women than we are to other men. That kind of behaviour can fuck off and burn.

Disclaimer: I am actually a rather nice person, I just get fed up when I'm told I should be nice to women. This is an example, I'm usually nice to everyone in games I play against, unless they're campers, who are scum and should be culled for the sake of humanity.

But seriously, as soon as you hear a female voice on a CoD lobby, the flaming starts. If said girl says as much as "Good match", she gets insulted. "Go back to the kitchen!", "lmao noob!", "stfu whore!" and such. Now, if a guy says "Good match", you would immediately think something like "Oh, how polite" or "Yeah, it truly was".

Erm, what? I sincerely hope you're joking because well...

I have been playing World Of Tanks all day. Community is pretty nice, the nicest i've played with in fact and people are quite chilled and helpful. Do you know what happens when I type GG in chat?

I will get told to stfu, go play kid's games and that my mother was more than likely a whore.

COD? For turning on my mic I get that. For saying GG i'll have my own team sabotage or kill me, depending on the game mode and I will relentlessly called a basement virgin, a bastard, a neckbeard, a motherless twat or any combination of the above.

I don't think it's just women that get it. People who are dicks online are dicks to everyone, I just have a feeling they hear a girl and then decide to use it as part of the insults as personalized insults are more effective.

Well, I suppose I am speaking from personal experience. I'm not saying people decide to be dicks specifically to girls. When one's a dick, one's a dick to everyone. However, it seems to me that for the most part, if guy dicks hear a 'dude' voice, they can go into mild dick mode perhaps because they know it will backfire. Maybe the other guy will be a bigger dick than them. Who knows? But if a girl talks, then it just seems to them like an easy prey. Almost as if they're asking for it. And for the most part, other girls I've played with either try to avoid the trouble by not using their mics at all (Me, and it's sad) or they just don't wanna be dicks to strangers. You know, they're smarter than those dickish guys.

I'm not saying only girls are the target. But like you said, girl are more of an easy target to guys like that. If they have a choice between trolling a guy or a girl, you bet they're gonna go for the girl. So yeah, my beef is that, and once again, for the most part, there's no equality, believe it or not. When a dick is a dick to everyone, then fine. Whatever. But believe me, the lobby can be as quiet as possible and as soon as you hear the faint whisper of a girly voice, the trolling starts.

Again, that's my experience.

Does anyone else here find it absolutely hilarious that a thread about someone saying "be nice to people" has resulted in flaming and fighting about feminist issues? Which is a horribly hackneyed discussion in which we all know who the misogynists are and could probably put them on a list or some such thing?

All I'm saying about Wheaton's idea is, well, I hope he has a magic Shut Down 4chan button, or he's chasing pink unicorns here.

I'll be honest, ' nerdling prince ' isn't the term I'd use to describe the worst part of Star Trek. I'll never understand how/why people all of a sudden like this guy.

'Don't be a dick' is rather broad, I'd just say, don't call people a dick cuz they don't think like you do.

And there is no reason for that just being a day.

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