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It is not Vigilantism. You're supposed to report crimes. And testify if you have knowledge of it. It is the angry mob that will punish the rapists if Anonymous releases the names that will be doing the vigilantism.

el_kabong:

I know. How weird is it that Anonymous is the voice of reason? I was trying to focus more on the people calling on them for illegal action (or "justice" as they like to call it). I actually meant no slight to Anonymous in this situation, as they appear to be making the right call (at least the one that aligns with my personal feelings on the necessity of rule of law). Though, who knows how long that is going to last.

Oh. In that case, I agree completely. My apologies for not looking into the context behind your post; I need to be less hasty at jumping to conclusions.

The Last Melon:

nignonymous:
How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

This a pretty disturbing post.

Yes it's so disturbing that he doesn't immediately grab his pitchfork and blindly join a mob the moment someone utters rape.

He's not even saying he's sure she lied, just that she might've.

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

Just because the bullying was real doesn't mean the rape was.

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

In the internet justice system, the people are represented by two separate and totally unequal groups. The anons who investigate crime and the angry mob who prosecute the offenders. All suspects must provide pics of their innocence or get the fuck out.

OT: I'd say this person is playing with fire, but Anonymous has just lost it's vicious bite over the years. All this concentrated activism stuff is hardly done in the spirit of for teh lulz.

If all is as it truly seems, then I am ashamed to call myself Canadian. Anonymous, I may be indifferent towards you, but reason and morale have appearanced to have sunked so low it's only fitting that you'll be the ones to put the pieces back together. So have fun fellas. Do what you do best.

This is all just a mess that I'm not sure what to think.

Let's just say, for the sake of reference, that Rehtaeh was raped (I don't know enough about the case to make an opinion on this), then the lack of anything having been done about it does seem like a travesty. Still, I'm not sure getting Anonymous involved is a good idea. This group of Anonymous may have said that they won't dispatch vigilante justice, but considering the veiled threat at the end of their statement it would be safe to say that this is an operation that can easily fuck up. Perhaps the other parts of Anonymous won't be as reserved and may go farther than they should, and considering how easily someone innocent may accidentally be identified as one of the rapists, this seems to me as something with no real happy ending.

Further, let's say this is a situation not only where only Anonymous can do good, and manage to actually do everything by the book. I still see their inclusion as opening the flood gates as it were. Alright, so a group came together to solve a case that the justice system was unable to do. What happens next time though? Does the group wait after nothing happens, or do they start to act before anything can even be done? What if everything has been followed to the letter of the law, but the group isn't convinced and continues investigating? This seems to me like inviting trouble, trouble that we may be happy to have now considering the circumstances, but trouble we'd have a hard time getting rid of once our emotions die down.

Zombie_Moogle:
Depends who takes the case. Anonymous has innumerable secs, many with differing ideology

Some consider themselves white knights & act more or less accordingly, others... we'll see

That's what interests me really, some may be the white knights while other sections may not take kindly to being asked for advocacy.

Callate:
Cry havoc...

This makes me sad,

Why didn't I go for the Julius Ceasar quote? I had first post, memorized the monologue years ago for a school assignment, and it fits so well.

I'll go sit in my corner and read my Shakespear again.

Abomination:
Why was this person BANNED for this post?

Draconalis:

Wow... holy shit... concurred. Are we going to ban everyone who's said anything about due process?

Canadish:

What the hell are you guys playing at here?

While I find the post in question disgusting, and his second one more so, largely because of the wording, that isn't why he was banned. He was banned because of the blatant implied racial slur in his name.

major_chaos:

Abomination:
Why was this person BANNED for this post?

Draconalis:

Wow... holy shit... concurred. Are we going to ban everyone who's said anything about due process?

Canadish:

What the hell are you guys playing at here?

While I find the post in question disgusting, and his second one more so, largely because of the wording, that isn't why he was banned. He was banned because of the blatant implied racial slur in his name.

Huh, I must be dyslexic because I thought his name was "Ignonymous" but I can see, I guess, how someone could be offended by that name.

I'm surprised you people aren't getting it.
Anon ISN'T their personal army, he's just bringing it up, and pointing them at something they're good at doing. They likely didn't need the provocation, but still. Good for him. After all, how many people heard of this story before this post? He's getting the word out. Good. He's not sicing them on his political enemy, he's sending them at someone who DESERVES justice. Or at least a kick in the ass.

Also, I AM a fan of vigilante justice, and if it was true that they were innocent, and she did cry rape when she was just regretful (which I doubt.), then STILL, the mounties should get their asses in gear and PROVE it. As it stands, they're sitting around with their thumbs up their asses, and these kids are wandering the streets, unpunished, investigated, and unnamed. And Anon is doing well in this. After all, these are people who can bring down a government website when they're bored... Imagine what fresh hell they could drop on these assholes if they wanted to go vigilante? No, they just want the cops/mounties/whatever, to do their JOBS! OH the horror!

Abomination:
Why was this person BANNED for this post? It is a completely feasible scenario and within the same realms of possibility that she was actually raped.

Or do we have to condemn without trial, ignore due process and engage in vigilante activity whenever the words "rape", "bullying" and "suicide" are involved?

Apparently "alleged" doesn't exist in our vocabulary.

Draconalis:

Wow... holy shit... concurred. Are we going to ban everyone who's said anything about due process?

Canadish:
I'm gonna need to back this one up as well. I didn't like the guy's tone, but his point was perfectly valid.

What the hell are you guys playing at here?

JoJo:
Given the low number of posts and general vibe from that user, I wouldn't be surprised if they were a banjumper come back for round 2. Of course, you'd have to ask a mod to be sure.

Just wanted to clear it up for all of you.

The user was banned for a combination of name, avatar, and offensive comments. It was a staff decision.

Thank you.

Doom972:
I don't know if they did rape her - but from what I read, there's no doubt that they bullied her until committed suicide - so they might not be rapists, but they're definitely not innocent.

Actually, from what I read there's plenty of doubt there. Note that the article states that the bullying occurred after a photo of the alleged rape was spread around. That suggests that the bullying was done by people not involved who only found out after seeing the photo. A photo doesn't prove rape, and as others have mentioned it could have been consensual and merely regretted afterwards. Such things are hardly unheard of. But by focussing on the alleged rapists, people seem to be completely ignoring those who actually bullied her until she committed suicide. If she was actually raped, then of course those four deserve to go to jail. But whether that happens or not, it appears those who actually drove her to suicide aren't even going to be investigated, let alone see any consequences for their actions.

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Somebody raped that girl. It might not be who the Anons name but a crime was committed and somebody is guilty. Therefore there are rapists that need to be brought to justice.

I really don't think actively involving Anon in this is the right way to do it, but if it does shake some action into the system, it would be worth it. I somehow see this quickly getting out of control and ending badly and nobody being happy with Anon's involvement, but I do think either way that this would get the authorities to act on demand next time, them being scared of getting Anon involved again. We shall see.

The case is closed in the RCMP's eyes. They won't revisit the case because they don't want to do the paperwork. Ya, that's right. They're lazy assholes. Mostly in part because of stupid "politically correct" policies implemented by politicians who have no idea how things work in the real world. And that's how much faith I have in my police force to uphold my country's law.

Father Time:

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

Just because the bullying was real doesn't mean the rape was.

Ok, so alleged rape aside, these people are still guilty of distributing child pornography as part of their bullying and no one was charged. I say let Anonymous do it's thing.

forlornhope22:

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Somebody raped that girl. It might not be who the Anons name but a crime was committed and somebody is guilty. Therefore there are rapists that need to be brought to justice.

Ever been to Salem, around the 16920's? I think you'd feel right at home there.

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Ok, so if rape can't be proven at this point, production and distribution of child pornography can. It's disturbing that the authorities won't do anything about investigating the things that can be proven, and at that point I'm glad to see vigilante justice.

Abomination:

el_kabong:
I know. How weird is it that Anonymous is the voice of reason? I was trying to focus more on the people calling on them for illegal action (or "justice" as they like to call it). I actually meant no slight to Anonymous in this situation, as they appear to be making the right call (at least the one that aligns with my personal feelings on the necessity of rule of law). Though, who knows how long that is going to last.

So... essentially you know you've got a screw loose if Anonymous appears to be the level headed one in a conversation?

The user was banned for forum trolling, overall offensive posts and an offensive username, not for the single post.

Please contact moderators about questions regarding forum bans or actions. Posting when you don't have the full story tends to end badly.

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Ok, so if rape can't be proven at this point, production and distribution of child pornography can. It's disturbing that the authorities won't do anything about investigating the things that can be proven, and at that point I'm glad to see vigilante justice.

I've said this before on this thread: you're confusing justice with revenge.

So now Anonymous are hitmen for hire? Hmmm. Interesting. If they go out of their way to stir up trouble for the hell of it, who knows what they will do if someone just asks politely. The rapists must stand trial, but if Anonymous decides to publicly shame them as well, I'm OK with that.

Alleged_Alec:
I've said this before on this thread: you're confusing justice with revenge.

If the authorities would do their job then I would be right there with you saying that Anon doesn't need to get involved. But they haven't even gone after things that they could prove. Unless the people involved destroyed the devices they took the pictures or videos on that data can be recovered. If they can't charged with rape, they CAN be charged with production and distribution of child pornography, since the girl in question was underage. It's disturbing that they haven't investigated further. I'm calling for them to look harder for proof, not lynch suspects. If they won't do their job, then someone should.

Anon has the power to do that.

Ever been to Salem, around the 16920's? I think you'd feel right at home there.

Looking for a criminal is now a witch hunt? There are two logical statements in question here. A crime was committed. {TRUE} Who is questioning that this girl was raped? She killed herself. Do you think she did that for fun? The second statement is that 4 specific boys did it. That's Alleged and any boys named are innocent until proven guilty. Nevertheless the first statement is true, a rape was committed, and the rapist[s] needs to be caught and hanged.

So he's calling on anonymous to what, send rape threats to the rapists? This is not a culture known for its self restraint, and in the best case scenario you get a bunch of protesters holding up signs that say 'Do a barrel roll'.

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
I've said this before on this thread: you're confusing justice with revenge.

If the authorities would do their job then I would be right there with you saying that Anon doesn't need to get involved. But they haven't even gone after things that they could prove. Unless the people involved destroyed the devices they took the pictures or videos on that data can be recovered. If they can't charged with rape, they CAN be charged with production and distribution of child pornography, since the girl in question was underage. It's disturbing that they haven't investigated further. I'm calling for them to look harder for proof, not lynch suspects. If they won't do their job, then someone should.

Anon has the power to do that.

Anon is not a detective agency. They are, as they mention often, a hate machine. They've been given access to names and if they feel like it, they'll ruin those person's lives.

forlornhope22:

Ever been to Salem, around the 16920's? I think you'd feel right at home there.

Looking for a criminal is now a witch hunt? There are two logical statements in question here. A crime was committed. {TRUE} Who is questioning that this girl was raped? She killed herself. Do you think she did that for fun? The second statement is that 4 specific boys did it. That's Alleged and any boys named are innocent until proven guilty. Nevertheless the first statement is true, a rape was committed, and the rapist[s] needs to be caught and hanged.

See above.

Alleged_Alec:
Anon is not a detective agency. They are, as they mention often, a hate machine. They've been given access to names and if they feel like it, they'll ruin those person's lives.

Which could have been avoided if authorities had done their jobs. It keeps coming back to that.

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
Anon is not a detective agency. They are, as they mention often, a hate machine. They've been given access to names and if they feel like it, they'll ruin those person's lives.

Which could have been avoided if authorities had done their jobs. It keeps coming back to that.

So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

Howling Din:
It is not Vigilantism. You're supposed to report crimes. And testify if you have knowledge of it. It is the angry mob that will punish the rapists if Anonymous releases the names that will be doing the vigilantism.

Boom! Lawyer'd!

OT: On the whole, I approve of this development. So long as Anon does their homework and keeps their word, everything should be fine.

But woe will befall the government official that decides that protecting rapists is a good idea.

Alleged_Alec:

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
Anon is not a detective agency. They are, as they mention often, a hate machine. They've been given access to names and if they feel like it, they'll ruin those person's lives.

Which could have been avoided if authorities had done their jobs. It keeps coming back to that.

So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

No. These kids will be punished for gangraping someone.

Also for further abusing that person to suicide.

Alleged_Alec:
So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

They need to be punished for the things that CAN be proven, and at this point I don't really care who does it. The police would be nice, but if they won't then Anon can bring their flavor of justice in.

Zen Toombs:

Alleged_Alec:

Church185:

Which could have been avoided if authorities had done their jobs. It keeps coming back to that.

So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

No. These kids will be punished for gangraping someone.

Also for further abusing that person to suicide.

Allegedly.

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

They need to be punished for the things that CAN be proven, and at this point I don't really care who does it. The police would be nice, but if they won't then Anon can bring their flavor of justice in.

Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

Alleged_Alec:
Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

No, I mean justice and I would appreciate it if you quit implying otherwise. The poor saps this Anon bomb is about to drop on could avoid it if they simply turned themselves in or helped with an investigation. Then proper justice could be served instead of the vigilante version that they'll get if something isn't done.

Church185:

Alleged_Alec:
Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

No, I mean justice and I would appreciate it if you quit implying otherwise.

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

The poor saps this Anon bomb is about to drop on could avoid it if they simply turned themselves in or helped with an investigation. Then proper justice could be served instead of the vigilante version that they'll get if something isn't done.

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

Alleged_Alec:

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end. As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable thing they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

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