Rockstar Uses Actual Gang Members for GTA V Voice Acting

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Why are people so negative about this? Are you saying gang members shouldn't be allowed to do proper work because "it won't go straight to charity"? Beats dealing dope or whatever illicit ways of getting money they have...

There's... there's something I need to ask. Is it legal to hire criminals? As in WANTED criminals? Those who are at large, still on the street, doing criminal things?
They mentioned one got out of jail a few days before, I'm all for giving that guy a job but... taking someone directly from the street? Not knowing, or even being fully aware of that this person was involved in violent crime recently? Is that really something that is ok? Harboring a fugitive and everything?
Of course, I hope rockstar knows what it's doing, I really do. Giving former criminals a chance to go legit is a wonderful thing to do, but I hope they are not going to protect these people if they commit a crime while the voice acting is still being done.

Funny thing? Being in a gang doesn't mean you can deliver a line of dialogue.

This seems like a pretty shallow and flimsy play at "authenticity". I doubt the leads were chosen for their criminal backgrounds; why pretend that some minor characters' experiences necessarily make them better for their parts? For research, maybe- if you want to continue to pretend that your game where you can stay in a city after stealing millions of dollars and killing hundreds of people without being hunted down like a dog is somehow a realistic glimpse of criminal life.

But sneering about actors doing what actors do- that is, pretending to people they're not- just seems like a cheap shot as part of a rather cynical PR move.

Desert Punk:
I really hope this blows back in Rockstars face, such a terrible idea.

And why is that, exactly? Rockstar is providing a legitimate way of making some money to people who could desperately use it for the sake of making a better product? Yes, burn them at the fuckin' stake.
Why is everyone reacting so badly to this? Are you so elitist as to think that offering a job to someone who has made mistakes in the past is some kind of taboo?

I think it's a great idea, personally I'm going to relish it when someone in-game calls me a "biotch" cause' I'll know it came from the lips of a genuine baller.

GoaThief:

Stars like Danny Trejo seem to indicate that offering legitimate employment is potentially life changing and/or saving.

Trejo had cleaned his life up BEFORE he became an actor. He had spent over a decade in prison, had just began to go to college, beat alcoholism and drug addiction years before he starred in a movie. I don't think it's fair to Trejo to claim that being in movies turned his life around. He turned it around himself, by choice.

Assumptions. Assumptions everywhere.

Assuming Rockstar isn't lying.
Assuming Rockstar isn't being taken for a ride.
Assuming any gang member they hired is a criminal.
Assuming any gang member they hired is reformed.

This kind of bullshit marketing is vapid and not worth discussing. Some facts would be nice.

I don't really see why this is a bad thing..

Even if temporary, they gave people jobs.

Paid jobs!

Is that not a good thing? That people have jobs?!

"Former gang members" fine. Good. People getting a job. But "gang members?" No. You don't give money to criminals. Stop being a piece of shit thug and THEN get a job. I'm not paying to support your disgusting, parasitic lifestyle.

Or, this is (more) bullshit marketing and they hired some people that once stood in the same building as someone that new a guy that was a gang member, like marketers love to do. Or they're reformed criminals and that was left out for more buzz.

Either way, no matter the case, not buying your game, Rockstar. Supporting crime, trying to support crime and being taken for a ride, or supporting marketing that I despise. Take your pick. - 2 sales for my boyfriend and I.

sagacious:

Ftaghn To You Too:
Because criminals should be condemned for life and ostracized from society, and it's morally wrong to offer them legitimate employment!

Truly the Elizabethans were correct in mutilating vagrants to indicate their crimes as well as making it illegal to give them shelter. That is the standard we should follow!

This.

All you people saying it's wrong to employ a criminal in a LEGAL job are part of the reason that ex cons keep committing crimes. They're not welcomed by 'legal' society, so they turn to illegal means to FUCKING FEED THEMSELVES. Criminals have families too, you dumbshits.

And even if they're still committing crimes... giving them legit employment will give them hope of an out. I imagine they're not too fond of their chosen career involving being hunted by the state. If you're NEVER supposed to employ someone who is still committing crimes, what are they supposed to do? Stop being a criminal and just take a few months to be unemployed and starve? Then will their penance be done in the eyes of you, oh righteous inquisitor?

oh and inb4 someone calls me a criminal or criminal sympathizer just for speaking out for people dealt a shit hand by life/society/etc. I've never done a crime and never known someone that was sent to jail, I just have a magical thing called human decency. Try it out sometime you pitiless fucks. You disgust me.

Edit: On topic, I just hope they don't give wooden performances. Authentic or not, they're not actors. Though it could be good, maybe even great. Leave it to Rockstar to try something unconventional. I'll be looking forward to seeing how it works out.

Depending on what gang you're in the only way out is death. These aren't just people who committed a crime, they're people who decided at a young age to join a group of people who make crime a way of life. What you're sympathizing with is regular former cons but gang members are a totally different thing. It sucks but that's just the way it is.

Mossberg Shotty:

Desert Punk:
I really hope this blows back in Rockstars face, such a terrible idea.

And why is that, exactly? Rockstar is providing a legitimate way of making some money to people who could desperately use it for the sake of making a better product? Yes, burn them at the fuckin' stake.
Why is everyone reacting so badly to this? Are you so elitist as to think that offering a job to someone who has made mistakes in the past is some kind of taboo?

I think it's a great idea, personally I'm going to relish it when someone in-game calls me a "biotch" cause' I'll know it came from the lips of a genuine baller.

And what makes you think the money will be used for anything positive?

And I would personally prefer to offer a job to someone who isnt a criminal.

And the term 'Baller' doesn't apply here, these are just another handful of retards, not criminals that are living large.

And for the record, I am applauding them for hiring the dude who is one day out of prison. I support hiring FORMER gangmembers, and FORMER convicts. THose people are trying to better themselves and turn their life around. But anyone who gives money to ACTIVE CRIMINALS is a retard.

I would talk about my opinion on the matter but no matter what I say somebody is going to attack me. I'll probably even be attacked just for posting this much. This isn't YouTube.

maidenm:
There's... there's something I need to ask. Is it legal to hire criminals? As in WANTED criminals? Those who are at large, still on the street, doing criminal things?
They mentioned one got out of jail a few days before, I'm all for giving that guy a job but... taking someone directly from the street? Not knowing, or even being fully aware of that this person was involved in violent crime recently? Is that really something that is ok? Harboring a fugitive and everything?
Of course, I hope rockstar knows what it's doing, I really do. Giving former criminals a chance to go legit is a wonderful thing to do, but I hope they are not going to protect these people if they commit a crime while the voice acting is still being done.

Being in a gang isn't, in itself, illegal, to my understanding. It is the activities the gang members themselves perpetrate that are illegal. So, I could give a gang member a job, even if I know that he's in a gang. As long as I did not have knowledge of or cover up any illegal activity he performed while in my employ, it would be fine.

I'd just love to know who this "specialist" is that found all these gang members. That would be one hell of an eye-brow raising CV.

Desert Punk:

And what makes you think the money will be used for anything positive?

What makes you think that professional voice actors do anything positive with their money?

Desert Punk:

And I would personally prefer to offer a job to someone who isnt a criminal.

Ok? I guess that will matter when you're the progenitor of your own master race of upstanding citizens.

Desert Punk:

And the term 'Baller' doesn't apply here, these are just another handful of retards, not criminals that are living large.

And apparently the word 'obvious' doesn't apply here either because I was clearly being sarcastic. But you clearly know so much about the situation already, all you needed to hear was the word 'gang' and you divined that they were all low-life trash. And stop throwing around the word 'retard' like some kind of retard.

Word of advice, making radical assumptions about people you know next to nothing about and calling upon the vocabulary of a 12 year old doesn't make for a compelling argument.

Baldr:
As a game developer I don't think it a great idea/ethical to support criminal gangs. Reformed gang members I would probably be ok with, but taking actual criminals is another.

They gave them a real job. A chance to earn some money without breaking the law. What's wrong with that?

chadachada123:
Good. Give them some honest, easy money for a change, and maybe they can one day get themselves out of the whole gang business with their new skill, like one of the freaking main characters in the game.

Exactly. Why shouldn't they get a chance? I seriously doubt that they chose that life.

It seems like a very bad idea, mostlly because gang members arenīt actors. But then again, bad voice acting would probably go well with the hideous 3D models.

They're not "giving" money to gangsters, they're employing them to do a legal legitimate job. If you're worried about them "being gangsters" then they're gonna stay gangsters if you deny them this chance to get a real job.

OT: This is bloody spectacular. It's one thing hiring a soldier to for voice acting and advice, but hiring hardened criminals to play hardened criminals is really thinking outside the box. Good job Rockstar, not even mad anymore that I have to pay for Live.

Ftaghn To You Too:
Because criminals should be condemned for life and ostracized from society, and it's morally wrong to offer them legitimate employment!

To be fair, I hardly think they asked them to renounce their life of crime and become seasoned voice actors.

I suppose it keeps em off the streets or a bit at least, maybe even convinces them to find more honest work...

Wow, a lot of negative reactions to this. Why?

Personally, I think it's a pretty snazzy idea. Real gang members know the gang life. They have the emotion attached to that life which will make the dialogue feel more real. They even let the actors change the script to be more true to their life.

I think it's a brilliant move for the voice acting. The VA industry often recycles the same people over and over (Tom Kenny, Phil LaMarr, Steven Blum, etc.), to the point where no matter how they change their voice, you can still tell it's them. With these no-names, nobody is going to get that "I've heard this voice before" disconnect.

Also, I've always held the belief that if I created a work of fiction based in reality, I would want as much authenticity as I could muster.

This is something I would have done if I were Rockstar.

This isn't "supporting gang members." These guys have actual lives. They watch movies, play games, eat food, pay rent. They probably have their own regular jobs sometimes. Gang members don't spend their whole life shooting each other. Don't act like you know where that money's going.

Zachary Amaranth:

Ftaghn To You Too:
Because criminals should be condemned for life and ostracized from society, and it's morally wrong to offer them legitimate employment!

To be fair, I hardly think they asked them to renounce their life of crime and become seasoned voice actors.

If anything, it's the opposite. Rockstar has hired them because they're legitimately scary dudes who are actually involved in the gang lifestyle. To them, it's probably yet another example of how crime pays - if they weren't gangsters, they wouldn't have earned this money. It's legitimate employment, sure, but legitimate employment based solely on the fact that they are criminals. I don't think that's as positive a message as some in the this thread are trying to claim.

Maiev Shadowsong:
"Former gang members" fine. Good. People getting a job. But "gang members?" No. You don't give money to criminals. Stop being a piece of shit thug and THEN get a job. I'm not paying to support your disgusting, parasitic lifestyle.

Or, this is (more) bullshit marketing and they hired some people that once stood in the same building as someone that new a guy that was a gang member, like marketers love to do. Or they're reformed criminals and that was left out for more buzz.

Either way, no matter the case, not buying your game, Rockstar. Supporting crime, trying to support crime and being taken for a ride, or supporting marketing that I despise. Take your pick. - 2 sales for my boyfriend and I.

Ugh, so much fail.

Hiring criminals =/= "supporting crime"

Do try and remember that other humans are other humans; people will do desperate and unpleasant things when they need money. Some of these guys probably blew their cash on booze and drugs. Some will have bought food, paid rent or child support with theirs. Let's also try and remember just how many other criminals we happily give our money to, how many actors and musicians and other miscellaneous celebrities whose crimes we just tend to shrug off as we buy tickets for their next movie. It's darkly amusing to see how many people only care when it's "the bad kind of criminals" getting paid.

I don't really see this as a problem. Yes, I'm pretty sure that some of these people are hardened criminals who have no intention of 'slowing down,' but this has nothing to do with any illegal activity, so what's the problem? It's an honest days work, for an honest days pay.

Besides, it's not the first time something like this has happened. Did you know that Italian Syndicates ran security for The Godfather? And that several extra's in the wedding scene were gangsters? Or that Luca Brassi, the thug who delivers a speech to Don Corleone was also a mobster?

SonicWaffle:

Maiev Shadowsong:
"Former gang members" fine. Good. People getting a job. But "gang members?" No. You don't give money to criminals. Stop being a piece of shit thug and THEN get a job. I'm not paying to support your disgusting, parasitic lifestyle.

Or, this is (more) bullshit marketing and they hired some people that once stood in the same building as someone that new a guy that was a gang member, like marketers love to do. Or they're reformed criminals and that was left out for more buzz.

Either way, no matter the case, not buying your game, Rockstar. Supporting crime, trying to support crime and being taken for a ride, or supporting marketing that I despise. Take your pick. - 2 sales for my boyfriend and I.

Ugh, so much fail.

Hiring criminals =/= "supporting crime"

Do try and remember that other humans are other humans; people will do desperate and unpleasant things when they need money. Some of these guys probably blew their cash on booze and drugs. Some will have bought food, paid rent or child support with theirs. Let's also try and remember just how many other criminals we happily give our money to, how many actors and musicians and other miscellaneous celebrities whose crimes we just tend to shrug off as we buy tickets for their next movie. It's darkly amusing to see how many people only care when it's "the bad kind of criminals" getting paid.

Yeah, no.

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life. Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Gang members can get fucked.

alphamalet:
I really hope this is some sort of joke. Real gang members? Seriously?

Boy! I'm sure the money that these gang members received for their voice acting talent is going straight to charity!

I really don't understand how a person can morally do this.

Like Baldr said, reformed gang members are understandable, but actual criminals are a little ridiculous.

Go look up Danny Trejo. Seriously.

chuckman1:

chadachada123:
Good. Give them some honest, easy money for a change, and maybe they can one day get themselves out of the whole gang business with their new skill, like one of the freaking main characters in the game.

Those of you saying that they shouldn't be employed...what other way are they supposed to reform themselves if no one will hire them because "Hurr funding gang activity"?

I'm with you I don't see why everybody's hating you all sound like you grew up in gated communities.
Maybe they can go a week without making crack and just peacefully smoke blunts with their crew or whatever they'll do.
Many people turn to this life because of unemployment so even a short job is great.
Plus I'd rather it be like "Fuck you I'll spray you, bust, whatever"-real g than "Oh ya boy ya imma pull my gat now urrgh im so g"-guy that's never seen the hood

Fucking thank you. This could even lead to certain routes. I mean shit, now they can add a voice acting credit to a resume, and not only that, it's with a major AAA blockbuster household name of a game. This could fucking save someone, and a bunch of dildos are acting like gangsters only spend money on criminal shit.

Maiev Shadowsong:
I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life. Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Gang members can get fucked.

What happened to:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Violence breeds violence.

Give people a chance of escaping the criminal cycle, NAH! fuck that, send them back to prison and give them more reason to continue a life of crime.

Dogstile:

alphamalet:
I really hope this is some sort of joke. Real gang members? Seriously?

Boy! I'm sure the money that these gang members received for their voice acting talent is going straight to charity!

I really don't understand how a person can morally do this.

Like Baldr said, reformed gang members are understandable, but actual criminals are a little ridiculous.

Go look up Danny Trejo. Seriously.

Maybe you should look him up first?

He got sent to jail, went through a 12 step program, and took a bit of college and was talking at a recovery meeting to help others before he was approached to work in movies.

He was already a reformed gang member which the person you quoted said was understandable. What he said is ridiculous are current gang members.

wulf3n:

Maiev Shadowsong:
I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life. Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Gang members can get fucked.

What happened to:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Violence breeds violence.

Give people a chance of escaping the criminal cycle, NAH! fuck that, send them back to prison and give them more reason to continue a life of crime.

Why did you quote me saying violence breeds violence? I wasn't aware lawfully imprisoning criminals was violent. Oh, because it's not.

Maiev Shadowsong:

wulf3n:

Maiev Shadowsong:
I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life. Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Gang members can get fucked.

What happened to:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Violence breeds violence.

Give people a chance of escaping the criminal cycle, NAH! fuck that, send them back to prison and give them more reason to continue a life of crime.

Why did you quote me saying violence breeds violence? I wasn't aware lawfully imprisoning criminals was violent. Oh, because it's not.

You don't think a big box full of criminals isn't a violent atmosphere?

Desert Punk:

Dogstile:

alphamalet:
I really hope this is some sort of joke. Real gang members? Seriously?

Boy! I'm sure the money that these gang members received for their voice acting talent is going straight to charity!

I really don't understand how a person can morally do this.

Like Baldr said, reformed gang members are understandable, but actual criminals are a little ridiculous.

Go look up Danny Trejo. Seriously.

Maybe you should look him up first?

He got sent to jail, went through a 12 step program, and took a bit of college and was talking at a recovery meeting to help others before he was approached to work in movies.

He was already a reformed gang member which the person you quoted said was understandable. What he said is ridiculous are current gang members.

Does it not strike you as ridiculous that in order to find legitimate work you have to go through a twelve step program and go to meetings?

Actually, scratch that, what I find really funny is that you don't think gang members do legitimate work all the time anyway.

wulf3n:

Maiev Shadowsong:

wulf3n:

What happened to:

Give people a chance of escaping the criminal cycle, NAH! fuck that, send them back to prison and give them more reason to continue a life of crime.

Why did you quote me saying violence breeds violence? I wasn't aware lawfully imprisoning criminals was violent. Oh, because it's not.

You don't think a big box full of criminals isn't a violent atmosphere?

That's not even a good straw man (if there is such a thing). You're just offering more logical fallacies in place of any argument at all now. I said I'm happy to imprison criminals until they sever themselves from criminal actions. You can't pretend I made any comment on the internal operations of the prison system or support or have any control over the individual actions of said criminals if they chose to be violent. Your "argument" is absurd.

So apparently now everyone thinks that a criminal out of jail doing honest work is worse then doing criminal stuff. Ok...

Maiev Shadowsong:
That's not even a good straw man (if there is such a thing). You're just offering more logical fallacies in place of any argument at all now. I said I'm happy to imprison criminals until they sever themselves from criminal actions. You can't pretend I made any comment on the internal operations of the prison system or support or have any control over the individual actions of said criminals if they chose to be violent. Your "argument" is absurd.

So why would you rather prevent a person from getting legitimate work:

Maiev Shadowsong:

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison

And send them to a place that is likely to exacerbate their criminal behaviour out of necessity.

You honestly can't believe violence breeds violence if you'd prefer to send people to a place that is violent to "cure" them of their violent ways, rather than help them get out of their situation.

wulf3n:

Maiev Shadowsong:
That's not even a good straw man (if there is such a thing). You're just offering more logical fallacies in place of any argument at all now. I said I'm happy to imprison criminals until they sever themselves from criminal actions. You can't pretend I made any comment on the internal operations of the prison system or support or have any control over the individual actions of said criminals if they chose to be violent. Your "argument" is absurd.

So why would you rather prevent a person from getting legitimate work:

Maiev Shadowsong:

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison

And send them to a place that is likely to exacerbate their criminal behaviour out of necessity.

You honestly can't believe violence breeds violence if you'd prefer to send people to a place that is violent to "cure" them of their violent ways, rather than help them get out of their situation.

More logical fallacies. Or you genuinely don't understand the argument.

If you are a criminal, you go to prison to be removed from society. You then have a choice, continue to harm others, or sever those ties and rejoin the community as a genuine citizen. I'd rather you sit in prison for the rest of your life than see you split your time 50/50 between a working job and breaking the law. It's all or nothing. There's no "I'm sorry, it's too hard" option. I don't want to see anyone waste their one life in a cement box, but it's their call.

If you want to argue more about the prison system, don't waste either of our times. I'm not going to engage in your straw man and I'm not here to talk about the failures of the the justice system. Either answer to my argument or don't.

Maiev Shadowsong:
Yeah, no.

As, well, with an excellent counterpoint like that, you've swayed me. A well constructed argument if ever I saw one.

Maiev Shadowsong:
I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket.

Even when they're being paid not to be actively pushing drugs or pimping? You'd rather they were out there doing that than taking employment outside of their usual roles?

Maiev Shadowsong:
I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life.

...an attempt at comedy, I assume? You are aware of reoffending rates, and how much of that is associated with prison environment, culture, and the justice system's vengeance-based mentality over an actual rehabilitiation-based system?

Hey, you want more crime, you can pay for more prisons. Just don't be surprised that things end up worse.

Maiev Shadowsong:
Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Yes, many people find an honest way out, and that's why in our fabulously wealthy nations, crime and poverty are all but extinct, nobody ever starves or goes homeless or can't afford basic healthcare.

Oh. Right....

Maiev Shadowsong:
Gang members can get fucked.

They pretty much already have. That's why they end up as criminals.

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