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Since I'm not buying games based on who made it, sure. ME3 is a tripe, TOR is trash. Just waiting for Guild Wars 2, as I have been for a long time. | |
I gave up after Dragon Age 2. | |
.. Guess I have to show more evidence on why Bethesda deserves better, mm. Despite all the example i've given, you claim they're jerks... which I don't see how even after reading your post. I'll clarify what I mean by this.
Horse armor is just one of their old DLCs which isn't important at all. Yeah, people questioned Bethesda about it but the thing is... is that it's optional nor important to the story. There are tons of other Oblivion DLCs that are really beneficial like Knights of the Nine, Mehrunes' Razor, Vile Lair, Wizard's Tour, and let's not forget the best DLC they have to offer- Shivering Isles. Your point about Horse Armor isn't going to shed negative light on their other fantastic DLCs. What gets to me is your point about selling the same game over and over. That is far from the truth. This is why: Bethesda made Skyrim with a whole new engine. Their games are nothing like COD (Call of Duty) where it feels the same in every way. No, Skyrim is an entirely new world with so many different features, enemies, NPCs, missions, and so forth. Yet how can they change it up? It's an Elder Scrolls title, it shall have the same element because it's an RPG with not only far more improvement but along the lines of bringing back the things we loved about Oblivion but better. Sadly they're short (Dark Brotherhood felt sort anyways) but still worth every cent I paid. Your argument about selling the game over and over is saying that Mass Effect is the same game over again. Or saying that a Super Smash Brothers is the same thing. Heck, saying Valve games are the same over and over because they deal with first person shooters. That isn't true in the least, they are unique in every concept when you take them apart to look at carefully. Let's not forget that they took 5 long years making Skyrim, while other popular games come out every 1-2 years.
But, I wasn't making them look like saints- I was speaking the truth that they're not as bad at all as you made them ought to be. How are they worse then Bioware? I've never seen them get the backlash Bioware's getting (again, I know people were ticked about Fallout 3's ending but Bethesda handled it well and immediately with the Broken Steel DLC that made it worth the fix.) They are just people, yet really go out of their way for us. I can link you to all their noble tasks if you'd like, but I don't want to spam since there's like.. *checks* 17 things I haven't cleared with you about Bethesda being great to the community.
... Huh? Of course they don't know us, I mean.. like, they're a company who has over a hundred thousand and many more followers. They cannot learn about each person individually or even a group for say because everyone's different. That is what feedback is for, and believe me when I say that they give a lot of time just for us to feel appreciated. The DLCs, the patches, the interviews, the constant announcements of what's to come- it's all good news and I haven't seen fans get mad at them hardly (some are upset about the bugs which I understand, but least Bethesda doesn't make excuses and they are working everything out, no questions asked.) I doubt Valve loves their fans as well but they certainly do care way more then most companies would and go out of their way to satisfy us like Bethesda does.
I'm glad to see you giving props to companies at least. Indeed that Bethesda, Valve, Bioware included all have done remarkable things. But, to say no brand deserves loyalty? What about football...? Does a sports team deserve no fans to support them as they train hard to reach their goal? Does a church or charity corporation not deserve loyalty for their services which are for the most part- free services to those in need and hurting all around? Why would it be bad to be close and happy with anything? Why would Nintendo still be around if it didn't deserve loyalty? Sure, you can question and look into the faults of a company or brand.. but to say they deserve no help, no loyalty, nothing of the sort? What'd be the point in buying their games and even saying "I really like Valve, I trust them for they've treated us right ever since the beginning." So yeah you got me confused there. Don't take this as a rant or angry reply- but I am proud to say I shall defend Bethesda to the end. No matter what, because though they aren't saints.. they are an incredible for everything they've done and I disagree with you about them being anything such as douches or so forth. | |
The last Bioware game (that I know of), that I've played recently is Mass Effect 1. And I stopped playing that after picking up Tali (I think. It was the first mission after going out on the Mako). And haven't played after that. While I admire the sheer depth the game was going for, the combat left me with a weird taste in my mouth, and no desire to continue. | |
Did you get that quote from MrBtongue? Because I swear I heard that quote on one of his videos, almost EXACTLY -_- | |
I wasn't trying to quote him--it was the first, best example I could think of--but I suppose it's not impossible. I did watch all his stuff, and I do keep citing his videos as the Internet's best explanation of why the ending was garbage. | |
Hey wasn't having a go I just almost picked it up immediately :D OT... eeeeehh meh, really. I'm not a "BioWare" fan, more of I am a "Mass Effect and Dragon Age" fan. I haven't really touched any of their other games (though I'm hoping to get some of their earlier stuff like Bulder's Gate, and yes I know I'm a noob for not checking out their early stuff, well, earlier XD) so I wouldn't really care what happens to them. It would be a shame if they were completely chewed up and spat out, because they know how to make a good story. But if they do, well, we've still got their games to remember them by. | |
as long as they make great games i wont, i dont care what you say i loved ME3 and i damn well loved DA2 | |
^^This, basically. | |
I could. I'm just not going to because I like their games. | |
I'll admit, I don't know if that's the exact reason--or rather, if it's the only reason. They can still do good work when they try; like MrBtongue points out, the entire Curing The Genophage bit was well done. (And I forgave the conveniently placed thresher maw because, hey, Reaper-Versus-Thresher Deathmatch. Awesome.) But the end of a story five years in the making is the very worst time to fuck up, and if there was a bigger fuck-up possible, I can't think of it. Maybe they suddenly didn't care, maybe Casey Hudson and Mac Walters just had to show the world how incredibly goddamned clever they were, or maybe EA didn't give them enough time to do it right. Or maybe it was all of the above, or something else we don't know about. Whatever the reason, they completely blew it, and yet somehow we stupid Philistines are to blame for not comprehending the genius of their Flawless Artistic Vision. So they've decided to pretend that simply adding another scoop of shit to our shit sundae will solve the problem, as long as they don't charge us for it. Um, no.
I guess I should've put it in the OP, but yeah, more or less this. I can't say for certain that I'll definitely avoid everything they do like the plague, but I'm pretty sure my days of pre-ordering collector's editions months in advance, sight unseen, are over. Hell, if I can't not get DA3, maybe I'll wait a while and then buy a used copy from Gamestop, just to spite EA. | |
Very easily. In fact, I already have. Once you lose faith in a developer's ability to make your time and money worth it, there's no need to keep giving them more chances. There are too many other things out there for me to waste my time hoping that one group has learned its lesson, especially when there are no indications that they have. | |
No No brand deserves loyalty. No name deserves loyalty. Actions speak for themselves and must be judged on what they are and not who did them. Shit is shit and gold is gold. Nintendos name doesn't make a game good. The quality of the game stands on its own. I really cannot see how you will argue that anything deserves loyalty on the count of previous actions. No, inform yourself to the best of you ability and then judge the scenario accordingly. | |
tbf, the only thing ive ever brought from bioware are the mass effect games and if they bring out another one (which wont have shepard) im going to buy it, but when they release something else... i probably wont care so im not done with them but im not a massive bioware guy that will buy all their crap and seriously why is everyone pissing over them as a whole for a bad ending to a franchise + EAs dlc decisions note. i know there are other reasons but thats the main thing most people are bitching over | |
But.. I just gave you a lengthy post above explaining all the actions that Bethesda has done. I've given you point-by-point examples on their good deeds (if not good deeds, then considerable actions in favor of the community without ripping them off.) I underlined those two parts because you've said it yourself- actions speak for themselves, yet you then express that you can't understand my argument on the count of previous actions. How would we ally ourselves to a developer, company, group, club, ect. if we do not account them for their actions from past, to present? Even now as we speak, Bethesda is in the makings of a huge DLC that will feel wanted instead of needed (like Bioware's "From Ashes" DLC.. where it feels like missing content and we must pay for it in order to have the full game experience while Skyrim feels complete already if not a never ending story mechanic involved.) I've judged Bethesda and that is why they're my favorite Developer, yet I still see Valve and other companies, groups, and so forth being great in terms of fairness towards the fans. Where do you stand my friend? | |
If they keep doing stupid things and making bad games, then yes. It's been that way for me for every company. | |
First of all... Going to poke a tiny hole in some of your previous argument. The release of Broken Steel was released 6 months after Fallout 3 (check up on it). So if the ME3 dlc is done in 5 from now Bioware will have done the exact same thing as Bethesda. Yet there is a friggan shitstorm here right now. Looks to me like we got a double standard. Something makes Bethesda good, but Bioware bad. Same goes for you talking about how they listen to fans. I skipped it because it was stupid for me to bring out every single scenario of feedback. Secondly anyone who says "From Ashes" is missing, is factually wrong. It cast serious doubts on if you have actually played it. "From Ashes" stands on its own. BUT EVEN IF IT FELT MISSING! doesn't friggan matter! I can feel that all that I want that Skyrim ins't complete without specific mods, doesn't make it so. What you get will always be what you pay for. You want to compare value, ill take the carefully crafted exp any over the copy pasted engine. But most importantly. You seem to misunderstand. | |
I have already given up on Bioware since Dragon Age Origins. It was pretty easy for me because: I hate EA and their partners and I have a completely different vision on how rpg should be made. | |
I couldn't give up on Bioware. There's something about their characters and settings that get me attached and really keep me interested. Besides that, I haven't played a Bioware game that I could say I strictly "haven't enjoyed". Dragon Age 2 was a little weak for a Bioware game, but I still loved the characters, the setting and the feel. Mass Effect 3's ending was a little this side of absolutely horrific, but it's only ten minutes out of an otherwise stupefying game. It would take a little more than all this to get me to stop buying from Bioware. | |
No need to cap.. I do read all that you post since I like debating. | |
I didn't even like the first Mass Effect If I wanted to read that much, watch that many cinematics, or talk that much I'd read a book, or watch a movie, or drop some acid and have a lovely conversation with my dog. The last game they made that I liked was KOTOR. As for hating EA... WELCOME TO MY WORLD! I've despised their very existence since the first Dante's Inferno screenshot. | |
I may own all BioWare's classic games but my brand loyalty only reached far enough to include Mass Effect. Sure I love all their games up to Dragon Age: Origins, but after EAs acquisition they aren't the same company anymore. Mass Effect 2 & 3 are amazing games but I feel it is mostly established upon characters and universes already created 5 years ago. And if Dragon Age 2 and the debacle around Mass Effect 3 is anything to go on I see it wise to keep on buying Bioware games that isn't stamped Mass Effect from the bargain bin. | |
Since I didn't see any major flaws in the so called fiascoes of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3, no, I can't give up on BioWare. I see no reason to give up on them for minor problems, that turn out to be not that big a deal. | |
actually. yes they aren't the 'end all be all' RPG dev to me, in fact i find they're work to generally be 'meh' even in the games of they're i do like. so it wouldn't really be a stretch for me to never buy from them again. catchpa: yeah right clearly the catchpa favors Bioware | |
I just get whatever appeals to me. There are companies I keep a sharp eye out for and will do additional research before buying their games and some of these include Square Enix, EA, Capcom, and Blizzard. | |
This. I haven't played as many Bioware games as I should have, mostly limited to KotOR and Mass Effect, but every one of them has been brilliant. It's not the ending of ME3 I remember, it's sitting on Rannoch with Tali, having just saved both the Geth and the Quarians. Remember the highs as well as the lows. | |
I voted yes for a few reasons. I have nothing left that strikes me as something that i want to play, regardless of what I think about the company. Mass Effect is over, even though they are going to continue the universe, i was invested in Shepard's story that's about it. I played DA:O but never was interested in the expansions or DA2 (called that it was going to have....issues before it came out) so I have no motive to care about whatever comes out of that series. not interested in their MMOs (or MMOs in general for that matter). Never got into the C&C games... so really.. they've lost me as a costumer more because i'm simply not interested in the games they are making more than the screw ups that they've had. At the same time the times they have screwed up are enough to prevent me from simply giving these games that I'm not interested in a try just to see how they are. Also Ive seen a major decline in their quality which is sad because bioware use to be one of my favorite companies. not so much any more. | |
If you mean could I ever lose my "brand" loyalty to Bioware then yes I could quit easily in fact as that is the only way to make companies learn. | |
If they "Fix" Mass Effect 3, I'll consider staying on the Bioware Bandwagon, but as of right now I'm completely over them. They kneecapped my love with Dragon Age 2 | |
Gave up on bioware a long time ago. Their games have good writing and all, but the gameplay always sucks balls. | |
Yep, I did. Loved their older stuff (Baldurs Gate, through NWN and Jade Empire, up to Mass Effect) but then they just went in a direction that wasnt for me. I bought Dragon Age but didnt enjoy it as much as their previous stuff. I didnt buy ME2, DA2, or ME3. I played the beta of TOR and didnt bother to subscribe to that when it came out either. | |
Of course, I already have. I loved Dragon Age, fucking loved it. I liked Knights of the old republic and Mass Effect. However as I started to feel it in Dragon age, the DLC problems. The amount of collectables, extra content, stuff they don't put in the game, online gimicky things, facebook crap to unlock in-game items, WAY too many pre-order items/promotional items. I really felt abused and unloved from there games. I love RPG's and I like when I can have every item and character available. There games as they went on in the series felt so gimicky to me I never bothered with them. Like the list of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 items that you can only get by doing other chores, like pre-ordering it from mexico or playing dragon land facebook games *exaggeration*. The list was FULL of stuff that I would not be able to get in my game because I didn't happen to buy the game without doing the raindance first. I feel they presented the DLC poorly in there game's, just kind of plopping it in and giving it no real purpose. *Items I mean* I shouldn't have to pay extra to get a different cool rifle in my game. SO, to answer this, yes I can give up on bioware because I already have giving up on them. So I have not bought OR played: Mass Effect 2 OR 3 and Dragon Age 2. I have giving up on them. Do you see Bethesda pulling this DLC crap? No. You get what you paid for, I don't have to pay $2.99 for a unique ebony sword named 'Asfaltie' in Skyrim do I? No. Bethesda plans great DLC that feels like actual expansion packs, and packages it in with fair price tag and great quality, both gameplay and story. I mean look at Fallout 3, great game and I bought all 5 DLC's happily. Mass Effect 2 & 3 need a wiki with all the dlc/shit you have to buy from them. End rant. TLdr: Yes I can and have giving up on Bioware, I have not bought Mass Efect 2 & 3, nor have I bought Dragon age 2. | |
I didn't buy Dragon Age 2 after playing the Demo, because it wasn't what I wanted to play. I didn't think much of ME2 after the quite good ME1. I haven't bought ME3 yet because of the sour taste ME2 left in my mouth. I'm pretty sure I'll get it sometime but at $35 on eBay down from $90 on release it's still too expensive. I'll get it when it hits $20. I think the last Bioware game I thought was really really good was the Shadow of Undrentide expansion for NWN. Dragon Age: Origins was OK but it kept reminding me that it wasn't BG. I pretty much HAVE given up on Bioware. Obsidian is where it is at. | |
Yes. Besides, Baldur's Gate 2 is still their best game, and that came out in 2000... or 2001 or whatever. Good old days. | |
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This.
Some repeated dungeons, a badly written character, or a crap ending doesn't make their games not fun - it just means there are flaws to them.
The same for Final Fantasy, actually, since you mentioned that OP. The only reason I didn't get 13-2 is because I was saving my money for ME3. I'll get FF 13-2 this summer.
Anyway... the point is, even the best games have flaws. Look at Xenogears (the best game ever made by mankind) - half the game is missing because they ran out of money, so you spend half of disk 2 listening to the characters talk about all those cool dungeons they just adventured through. It is really fucking lame, but disk 1 is great, and the very end of disk 2 (when they let you play the game again) is great, the characters and story are great... it's a great game (best ever made, as noted above)... but disk 2 kinda sucks. And Chu-Chu. Gods, do I hate Chu-Chu.
But that's the point - one or two sucky parts of the game don't ruin the whole game. People need to stop freaking out and vowing to boycott companies because they aren't perfect. Because - here's the thing - nothing is perfect. Nothing ever can be. Not even the best game ever made (Xenogears).
... I fuckin love Xenogears.