So it's harmful, but because only the "fuck white people" crowd wants it to harm whites, the fact that unless 90% of the population is lying about their moral compass it goes against what are today core values of society that somehow still makes it worth defending (even if one pretends they aren't defending it)?
Defending the idea behind it and how it should work in theory. Not defending it in practice.
Again I'm a white straight man, do you think I have to personally give myself ten lashings a day for my 'sins'? Do you think I look in the mirror and start clawing at my unholy impure pale skinned face? Like seriously dude 'you're just anti white' is such a simplified smokescreen its not even funny.
And yes, I'm aware that like liberals there are plenty of conservative policies that have harmed minorities. How does that justify continuing AA as it exists given the fact it's one of those policies?
It doesn't. Just that I've yet to see you in any thread on the escapist call out shit like this unless there's some way you can blame the left for it.
Hell your President Donald Trump got to where he was solely through inherited wealth and just making people pay him big money to put his name on sub par products and companies and nearly bankrupt himself numerous times. Literally the only way he got to where he was was a lower bar for him then everyone else.
How do you rationalize that?
See here's the problem with collectivists, they use the line of reasoning that because whites are one of the two primary groups that make up the richest people in the US (along with Jews)
Power level showing again bro.
that somehow justifies open discrimination against whites who are poor.
Speaking as a poor white person.... no?
White people tend to be among the most wealthy and yes that doesn't mean there aren't poor white people. But if you want to know who you should really be angry at, be angry at the rich white people and the politics that favor their needs over others. Republicans don't give a shit about poor white people, just so long as they can use boogeymen to scare them into voting republican. It still blows my mind how many poor white areas actively voted against healthcare reforms that they objectively NEEDED. Again the on going disaster with the healthcare bill is going to cause way more harm to middle class white America then any amount of 'affirmative action' yet you champion the side that wants to make life much much harder for poor white people. I can't rationalize that.
There's a reason why the anti-liberal progressive left is mocked by liberals, conservatives and liberatarians as genuinely thinking a broke homeless man has more privilege then people with a roof over their heads.
Okay first of all fuck libertarians. They annoy the fuck out of me. They are on par with the people who shrug and say 'hey both sides are objectively as bad as each other so let's not care about anything and make fun of the people who do care while the terrible status quo is able to get shittier and shittier.'
But I digress...
Odd from where I stand homelessness is an issue that leftists talk about a lot.
And by the way while there are plenty of white homeless people do you know what color a lot of homeless people are?
The formation wasn't racist in intent, keeping it after it has objectively failed and shown itself to harm every demographic just to spite white people, that, that is racist.
Prove that it's actually out of spite.
Tell me, how is it a policy that helps quite literally no one in the long term is kept in place? And why is it defended most strongly by the progressives who push for modern Jim Crow laws?
I don't know. You'd have to ask one.
Genetic fallacy. It wasn't born out of malicious intent but it's kept alive because of it.
Goalpost moving. Earlier when I pointed out that the crux of Affirmative Action was not now and still is not out of malicious hatred of white people you argued that it still had that effect however unintentionally.
You just moved your goalpost... into the path of my ball.
Then stop defending the policy, and stop pretending that you haven't been doing so.
Stop defending fascism and stop pretending that you haven't been doing so.
The only doublethink here is attempting to pretend that one of the few cases of systemic and institutional racism that still exists in the US isn't real despite the fact that the hard coded example of it within the system has been pointed to.
It's not done to punish white people but to help black people. It still sucks but maliciousness isn't really at play here. And again white people in the US have benefited for generations from decades and even centuries old policies that favoured white people specifically and even though the policies are gone, the effects of them still linger. Hence why Affirmative Action came into power in the first place.
I want it gone but it would be nice to know that once its gone black people from impovershed areas would still have a chance at higher education and jobs that pay well. Right now I just don't know if that can be guarenteed.
And let's not pretend that any demographic, at all, in the US who isn't from another country truly knows the meaning of the term "oppression".
Well I mean if there's one thing you and I have in common Zontar its that neither one of us can be considered oppressed.
That line of thinking is what caused armchair soviets
Ah the old Communism deflection trick. Was wondering when that would show up.
to think that Trump is a fascist despite the fact the books that define what fascism is at all levels are easy to access and he doesn't fit the bill any better or worst then people like Clinton or Obama or Bush and the like.
Is a massive egomaniac
He wants total control over everything and gets really shitty when he realizes that a President is still bound by like, laws and stuff
Demands 'loyalty' from his cabinet members, not to the party or even the country but to HIM specifically
Doesn't want anyone listening to any news that doesn't glorify him
Pals around with and hero worships dictators
Advocates police brutality
Had a really hard time just condemning the Charlottesville Nazis without making it about 'the other side'.
Uses specific ethnic minorities as easy targets to project his supporter's anger onto
Keeps repeating extremely nationalist talking points and expresses almost isolationist views
Pardons people who basically commited human rights violations against ethnic prisoners.
The only thing that keeps Trump from being a full blown fascist is he's too damn stupid to be any good at it. The next far right candidate who tries to follow in his footsteps might not be.
The law and regulations. You know, this thing that sort of binds your hands when hiring people?
And without it companies could freely dismiss any job application with a female or ethnic name without having to give an explanation?
Also most HR departments have women these days. Not that that's important but id does sort of harm the "men hiring men" narrative you're trying to push.
I was just quoting what YOU said.
You mean like a black guy getting shot by a cop who wasn't a criminal? Because that's the exception rather then the rule too.
Yikes. Glad to see you think a minor shoving, smoking weed, minor vandalism, petty shoplifting or 'looking suspiscious' is a penalty worthy of death dude.
The entire justification that is used today to keep the system alive as it is is bigotry, so of course I'll call its defence exactly what it is. Quit using the genetic fallacy to pretend that just because it wasn't born of malice that it somehow isn't kept alive by it.
So your now saying it IS a direct malicious attempt on white people and not just a misguided attempt to help others? Seriously stop throwing your goalpost onto my ball.
Oh God Dammit quit it with the Alex Jones Breitbart garbage. That shit was disproven in 2015!
And yet you quote NPR, which has no standards what-so-ever and considers me a terrorist because I had the audacity to want journalists to be held to something resembling standards.[/quote]
Is this a gamergate thing or is this something else?
Not exactly something one who isn't partisan can call a reliable news source given how often their reporting is at odds with reality.
But I notice you didn't actually have anything to say about my source that discredited your Planned Parenthood was made to kill black people bullshit. Ah the way of the right, if something disproves the point your making simply call it 'fake news' and suddenly you don't have to acknowledge it at all.
So what you're saying is that you have what was initially a completely agreeable point that you went about making in a way that makes it impossible for a rational person to agree with due to how its framed because of the latter part, namely the fact you somehow think that in nations that are between 70% and 99% white that whites make up a majority of those in the workforce is somehow a surprise and proof of anything, and that despite the fact it is objectively, demonstrably and measurably not true that blacks somehow need to work harder to reach the same point as whites even though AA literally flips that on its head to the point where it requires one to assume no one is applying it in practice to even begin to believe there's truth to the statement.
I just find it hard to rationalise how someone can be a member of a group that is the overwhelming majority in their country, represtned in the top tier of wealth and politics, be represented in the majority of all high paying work fields and where 90% of all media is catered specifically to appeal to them but still feel like that means they are oppressed just because of a few outlier examples of systemic bullshit. I'm willing to bet if I had a magic wand and offered all white people to switch around and be in the place where black Americans are and vice versa all the same guys bitching about being oppressed would suddenly and inexplicably say 'oh no thank you'.
Yes, discrimination against blacks like that against anyone else is bad,
Man that took a lot of effort to get you to say.
now stop pretending they have to work harder to reach the same place as everyone else because you're stuck 50 years in the past and refuse to acknowledge how the world has changed since then.
Except for the fact that like, they do.
As it stands I see all sorts of subtexts in your posts all the time. Things you get angry at, things you don't get angry at, things that go unsaid when people respond to you and the little memes and jokes you slip in there for good measure.
You really suck at concealing your power level.
You know that just because you, like many on thelshitty. far left, have issues of projection, doesn't actually translate to much of anything in the real world, right?
You sir are the king of projection.
I don't assume they didn't work hard to get there, I acknowledge the objective fact that the barrier for them to get in is lower. Some take this fact and use it to justify thinking women and minorities got in when they shouldn't have (because some do). You know what's a ludicrously easy way to fix that? Make AA not literally spell out that women and those who aren't white or Asian need to be held to a lower standard.
Considering a lot of Minorities come from poor impoverished homes in the inner city with subpar access to education I'd hardly call it a 'lower barrier'.
The reason AA doesn't work is because the skills one needs to learn to make it in university and/or the work force are ingrained into us in lower education, if you don't have it you don't have it and AA isn't going to help you. It's the reason why blacks who enter higher education who had test scores in the area between where blacks are admissible and where whites or Asians are admissible drop out at the highest rate of any group, while those who score above that drop out at rates comparable to other groups; those in that range simply do not have the skill set needed to keep up with everyone else because they didn't learn it in lower education.
Say Aegma had a pretty good post about all this. AA etc. You gonna respond?
And given how the US spends more per capita on education then any other Western nation, cutting wasteful spending seems like it won't hurt much of anything given that there's no way to defend current levels of spending as it is. The DOE for example has failed spectacularly, as the very year it was opened correlates with when the improvement of education turned into a 40 year long period of stagnation. And why do schools need such extravagant things like Olympic swimming pools and other things that are clear cases of spending money just because it's there.
They don't and I'd love to see some of that money go to more impovershed schools instead. But forgive me for thinking education is important, more so then ever right now. When there are governments desperately trying to gaslight their citizens into just listening to spoonfed garbage then having education is essential.
You could practically cut half America's education spending without effecting the quality of it at this point. Maybe not that far, but massive cuts can be made without changing things quality wise, hell pretty much any foreign alternative system that's better would also be cheaper.
Yeah I doubt that's true.
Beginning to suspect that wouldn't bother you too much.
You evidently don't know me particularly well.
Perhaps not but you really haven't shown me much to assuage my assumptions at this point/
I dunno things actually seem less shit for Black people nowadays then they did only a few decades ago.
Well outside of the gradual reduction of the black-on-black homicide rate there hasn't been much improvement in the numbers side of things.
You know ever since the civil rights movement black on black violence has been a topic of discussion right? Like its not that black people aren't putting in efforts to reduce that.
None of that changes the fact that AA is systemic racism and sexism and you aren't going to solve anything by keeping it alive and well and refusing to even entertain the idea of putting a new code into place that actually makes things meritocratic by law.
Well I mean if that were the case Trump would never be able to be president so that's a win.
Just curious though would that also apply to things like socio economic class? Because that can be a huge factor in inequality regardless of race. To create a truly meritocratic society we would need to abolish all wealth so everyone was on an even playing field. Otherwise a meritocracy is still a myth.
But then, given how many progressives are also white supremacists who think that meritocracy will lead to white dominance, I'm not surprised that the far left is so against the idea of merit instead of race based selection.
Wow the projection is strong in this one.
Seriously I'm somehow both anti white and a white supremacist? Or I want to keep white people down and give black people a chance because I think without it white people would rise up and be superior? Which is something I should want if I am like a white supremacist but for some reason I'm actively fighting against my goals...
Yes, we don't live in an ideal world. And keeping AA as it exists in place is keeping systemic racism and sexism alive and well.
And without it there would still be those things.
Okay here is my rebuttal.
With regards to Harvey, it's ironic that those who have the biggest problem with sexual harassment in public are the ones who conspired to protect people who did it.[/quote]
Once the truth came out his company fired him, his wife left him, the academy ditched him, multiple studios and agencies and actors severed ties with him and he now lives as something of a pariah. In the process he opened the doors wide and suddenly all the creeps of Hollywood are getting destroyed. Turns out talking about this stuff actually makes it go away.
You know what happened when a prominent right wing man was accused by dozens of women of harassment, sexual assault and even rape? Going as far back as the seventies? And who was caught on tape admitting and even bragging about doing it?
They made him president.
As for Milo, you do realize what he did to Leslie Jones was posting a picture of her that was next to an image of a gorilla, which while in poor taste is more tame then much of the stuff Jones herself posted in that same week. The complaints stemmed from the impossibly open and shut case of a double standard Twitter has where conservatives are openly held to a lower standards then progressives.
No. The gorilla was where it started, it got worse then that.
He openly encouraged harassment against her with direct elements of racism and sexism and his gross followers flocked to his call. He crossed a line when he started making fake screenshots of Leslie Jones supposedly tweeting vile homophobic stuff which put him in the hot seat for libel. This was far from the first time he had pulled shit like this to the point where he has actually been caught in the past boyly suggeting to people that if they don't do as he says he'll sick his supporters on them. If anything the fact that Yianoppolis went so long unpunished to the point where he genuinely seemed to think he was untouchable is all the evidence I need that when people bitch about liberals needing their 'safe spaces' what they actually want is a 'safe space' of their own where they can bully to their heart's content and no one will call them out on it The comprehensive detail on it all is right here: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12226070/milo-yiannopoulus-twitter-ban-explained
And if you think that shit's just ordinary right wing discourse then well, fuck the right wing.
Yes, but it's not as prevalent as it was 50 years ago
Disagree, that'a why the Southern Strategy still works. That's why Donald Trump was able to get elected and that's why in Australia I have to listen to the insufferable voice of Pauline Hanson whenever I turn on the news. If racism wasn't real these people would still have political careers because a tentpole of their political message was always 'brown people are scary'.
and for the love of god can you stop pretending that if we got rid of racist laws that society would suddenly regress 50 years? Because just because progressives are pushing for a modern Jim Crow doesn't change the fact liberals and conservatives don't want that to happen and still outnumber progressives by 10 to 1.
I'll stop doing 'that' when you stop pretending Trump didn't campaign on racism. How's that?
You can't solve a problem over and span of time if you aren't going to touch the problem at all, and AA is part of the problem, not a solution to it.
True. But right now lowering the barrier (your words) to make it easier (your words) to get black people into workplaces might be the best way to do that.
The reason blacks are more likely to be arrested for it is because it's rarely as a single charge,
Source? I have a pretty conclusive set of statistics in place there.
it's on top of other charges that tend to be why they where arrested in the first place.
And even in areas where pot is legal black people still find themselves getting arrested for it. Again white people and black people both smoke weed but only one is routinely targeted by police.
And the longer sentencing stems in part form that and in part from repeat offences, which both lead to longer sentencing. If you want to change that, change the way the judiciary treats repeat offence and multiple charge crimes.
Brock Turner literally raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster
No, he didn't, it was sexual assault because under the law where he was you need to penetrate for it to be rape and as horrible as what he did was he didn't stick his dick in her. Hate it all you want, but if you want a longer sentence you'll need sexual assault to have stricter maximum sentencing.[/quote]
Semantics semantics. It was still a violation of another human being without consent and had those Swedes not turned up it probably could have gotten a lot worse.
How about a longer sentence then 'caught smoking weed while black?' is that too much to ask?
Also it's seriously still bullshit he got away with such a small punishment for such a serious crime. As the prosecution pointed out he deliberately sought out a girl so drunk she couldn't form sentences, understand where she was or what was happening nor speak or walk unassisted and couldn't keep her eyes open and then he dragged her off to an area where people couldn't see them, hidden in the shadows and violated her while she was unconcious, going to far as to drag her limp body around at points. This wasn't just some consentual poorly thought out drunk hookup that the girl couldn't remember the next day (Which he and his attorney had the balls to try to claim), this was straight up predation and it deserved a greater punishment then it got.
Even if a black man is a repeat weed offender, his punishment shouldn't be more severe then a white guy who did THAT.
Like I said, the idea that Voter I.D. is racist seems to be a white liberal thing given how they're the only demographic who on a whole opposes it.
Got a source for that? Proving that literally only white liberals oppose it? Because I can find you a video of a black woman opposing it and explaining why in two seconds.
Circumstancial evidence sure but since you routinely use 'over 90% agree with me' without a source I thought I would just show you a black person speaking out about Voter ID laws. On her own she means very little and I acknowledge that but hey still more then you've provided.
Then why, exactly, did this reaction not exist when Reagan used the exact same slogan in 1980 in response to the shitshow that was the 70s, much as how it was used in 2016 to a decade of economic uncertainty?
During the seventies there was quite a lot of civil unrest and still was in the eighties it was very fresh in people's minds, the problems hadn't been 'solved' (to use the term loosely) by that point which meant you could argue that by making America Great Again it would in turn help solidify the message people like Dr King stood for. As for why Reagan didn't cause the same response? Easy. When Klan members tried to connect to his cause, Reagan disavowed them. When racists tried to use him as a platform, he told them to go away. Reagan's idea of 'make America great again' took a stance that racism and white nationalism and so on were in no way reflective of 'American Values'. Don't get me wrong, the Gipper definitely harbored racist politics but during his campaign he was just much better at keeping all of that hidden, whereas Trump put it out in the open over and over again which made the racist undertone of 'Make America Great Again' suddenly have a much more different context. Where Regan's 'make America great again' did not welcome racism into the discuss (openly), Trump embraced it wholeheartedly. When Trump refuses to just say 'I don't like the Klan' encourages racist ideas from his supporters, retweets white surpremacist memes and expresses nostalgia for the good old days when protestors would be carried out on stretchers, to say nothing of the racist violence his supporters carry on with and the fact that ol' Donnie Boy kept advocating it and well....
It's another case of hysteria and nothing more.
Says the guy who believes in Pizzagate.
Actually that was more geared towards Donnies stupid travel ban and the on going disaster that is ICE agents arresting and detaining Mexican American citizens. To say nothing of the people excitedly lobbying to forcefully exit all immigrants and form a 'white homeland' who have managed to worm their tendrils into the Trump administration quite nicely.
Oh boy, a fringe radical group that Trump's called out in the past exists, he must obviously support them! /s[/quote]
The fact that it took Trump so long to HAVE to call out fascists and the fact that he clearly knows that they are his 'base' pretty much speaks for itself now.
And as far as ICE goes well.....
Well I mean he's pro police brutality so there's that: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/29/u-s-police-chiefs-blast-trump-for-endorsing-police-brutality/?utm_term=.3920b267155d
The travel ban also is odd given the fact it didn't effect most Muslims by a very large margin,
Well I mean not the ones in countries Trump has business ties to.
and ICE agents going after illegal immigrants isn't "arresting and detaining Mexican American citizens", it's "arresting and detaining Mexican citizens" in accordance with the law.
Often through use of excessive force and violence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/29/u-s-police-chiefs-blast-trump-for-endorsing-police-brutality/?utm_term=.3920b267155d
Which by definition is NOT lawful.
Like it or not there are 14 million illegal immigrants in the US (just over half of whom are from Mexico) and there's no justification for allowing them to stay,
Also no justification for brutally beating them and even shooting them or ripping them and their families (including children born into America) out of their homes and back to a country they have no connnection to. A lot of these people came to America as really small children and lived their entire lives in America. That's a justification to let them stay because if you have lived in America for twenty of your twenty four years of life I'd say you have more connection to America then to Mexico.
other then to slap legal immigrants in the face and call them morons for going through the hard process of earning one's way into being allowed in.
You know legal migrants get bullshit handed to them as well right? Joe Arpaio targeted plenty of legal migrans in his crackdowns too. And legal immigration can be such a difficult and convoluted minefield with so much stacked against you. People who immigrate illegally often don't have a choice. http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/undocumented-mexicans_n_5709141
Hey I think we just found Trump's 2020 slogan.
Well is did describe Clinton's campaign so I suppose it's likely whoever he goes against in 2020 will do the same.
"I won't cause a nuclear apocalypse with a tweet."
Also seriously the senator races pretty much showed that even in purple or red states they are starting to come around to democrats precisely because of all the Nazi shit.
Look at Gillespie, ran like Trump and lost bad to a demoncrat.
I don't, I look at the big picture instead of looking at incidents and extrapolating that to mean it's the rule.
No you don't.
Also, why are Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin on that list? Not really helping your cause when a criminal who was shot in a justifiable act and someone who beat a man half to death
Trayvon Martin looked suspicious and Michael Brown punched a man. Hardly justification for DEATH.
before being shot by that man (and who had the prosecution of the case against that man found to have hidden evidence of the man's innocence).
Yeah your right, Michael Brown did steal some cigars and shove a guy. Guess he deserved to die. And Trayvon Martin had the audacity to buy skittles while being black and got into a confrontation with a guy who held him at gunpoint because he 'looked suspicious'.
BLM loves to hold these two up, and the wonder why people think they're full of it. Then again outside of Tamir Rice I can't think of any names BLM pushes that where innocent, and even that case was a situation where the outcome was the only logical one given the mistakes made by Rice.
Just because a person is not strictly speaking 'innocent' of any crime at all doesn't mean they deserved to be shot and killed. Shoplifting is not an offense worthy of death!
Again 'due process' is still a thing is it not? We aren't quite at fascist police state level yet where police are also on the spot executioners. Though again it kind of sounds like you want that to be the case.
Then maybe black communities should stop demanding "tough on crime" police and the war on drugs should come to an end.
Or maybe the police in those areas could actually stop wasting time on petty drug busts and small timers and actually go after the bigger suppliers or something?
Well so far he's taken down 'tent city' gotten rid of the chain gangs and actually seems interested in due process more then just 'your brown, get in prison'. Also again Arpaio actively refused to investigate over 400 cases of sex crimes occurring in his jurisdiction so I fail to see how even at his best Arpaio was actually in any way helping his community.
Given how he's openly allowing the source of much of the crime and violent crime in the area to keep going on account of the criminals committing them being allowed to go unimpeded (a policy he ran on and somehow won in the only election in the entire state that reflected the polls taken before it) colour me shocked that crime hasn't gone down in the area.
Then again the "fuck borders, violent criminals in now!" mentality wouldn't exactly help crime go down even if he bothered to fight it.
You have a source for that right? And I'm sorry but given the choice between being lax and letting people in Jails (not prisons there is supposed to be a substantial difference between the two) die owing to extreme head and negligence as well as direct racial profiling I know where I put myself. It's really hard not to look at this as you justifying Arpaio's pardon as well as his crimes right?
Just because you're so far left that you think Trump is an extremist doesn't change where the rest of society stands.
I live in Australia. Our politics are a bit different granted but I can still spot an extremist when I see one.
Literally every morning of late I wake up, surprised slightly that I am indeed awake and that there is still a world outside. Because every day I see Trump push Earth closer and closer to Armageddon with his twitter feud with Kim Jong Un.
Like I said before after Trump I actually have to rethink my position of what I used to consider extreme right wing. Fuck I actually feel nostalgic for George W. He was dumb and extreme in a way that was almost charming in hindsight. Trump is a fucking loon.
And I'm not far left, there is plenty of stuff on the left that I don't like. But that's a topic for another time.
And here's some sources:
Wow, golly gosh.
Like two whole sources. Man I guess Antifa is just running riots in the street and devouring helpless conservative children left right and center right?
I mean I only have over forty different examples of Trump supporters committing violent crimes directly in the NAME of Trump, guess I should just hide away. I'm sure the guy who deliberately swerved his car to attempt to hit a group of black schoolchildren after calling them N*ggers and declaring that Donald Trump was going to get rid of them all was just an innocent concerned citizen and there is nothing to be worried about Trump's message that I could find literally scores of examples of Trump supporters performing violent racist and misogynistic acts means nothing in the face of literally ONE video and ONE article you managed to find.
What was that you always say? That politicians shouldn't be concerned about white terrorists since they are "statistically" less likely. Well I guess Antifa isn't a big deal in the face of vigilante mobs literally hunting down artists and brutally beating them or assaulting comedians on stage.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize literal terrorists who've been vandalising and assaulting people in my city for a decade now despite no sign of the type of people they claim to be against existing out here needed to have some deeper justification to dislike, and that your copy-paste of a list taken straight from a far left hate subreddit needed to be countered.
I have provided you forty different examples of exactly the kind of people 'Antifa' (a mindset I don't support btw) opposes and your response has just been to dismiss them off hand.
The news sources themselves aren't tainted by the stink of 'leftist dogma' or whatever. So maybe instead of constantly whining about where they came from you can actually address them directly? Your insistence not to, the 'fake news' defense, is very weak.
Did you know that if I took every single case of black on black homicide in the US last year and listed them all I couldn't post it in a single post due to the character limit?
Did you know that wouldn't in any way take away from the fact that far right violence is directly involved with Trump's campaign and you have failed to even come close to presenting as many examples as I have?
Black on Black crime is both a much more complex issue then just 'de blacks be violent yo' which is the stance you're clearly on board with but that's for a different part of this conversation.
It's also funny how of all those news stories the only one the far left loves to focus on is the white woman who may have been a case of manslaughter.
If that piece of shit who deliberately sped up his car and rammed it at full speed towards a group of counter protestors, so hard and so fast that multiple people were thrown several feet into the air and Heather Heyer was killed by blunt force trauma (not a heart attack as the parasites keep claiming) manages to get away with manslaughter.
Then that's white privilege.
I'm sorry but a brown guy named Ali would already be incarcerated by now and you would be calling for his head.
And they love to focus on that one because its the most recent! Before then there was Dylan Roof.
Or we can talk about the time three white guys raped a black guy with a coathanger and the judge didn't want to sentence them too harshly because he didn't want to ruin their lives by forcing them (the rapists) to have to be sex offenders?
Got a source on this one? Because I'm legitimately amazed you'd brink up examples before that don't help your case but one that did would be ignored. Or is this a case of another thing from 50 years ago that would be rightfully dismissed out of hand if I saw where it came from?
See I actually already linked it in my very first post on this thread (you know which I quoted you in so you have no excuse not to have seen it). Hurts my feelings to know you didn't even read that.
But still here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/football-player-hanger-assault-avoid-prison_us_585ac1d0e4b0eb586484dd02
And yes it was in the far away distance time of 2016.
I mean for fuck sake you pretend police shooting blacks is a major issue when even the lowest estimate put 90% of such incidents as justified ones done against criminals
Where is your GOD DAMNED source? 90% is an absurdly high rate of agreement. And according to you that's the lowest percentage. Like seriously if it's that universally agreed upon there wouldn't even BE movements like black lives matter.
and the total number regardless of innocence or guilt is marginal compared to black-on-black homicide (not that I'm surprised, black lives only matter when a white man takes it it would seem).
Because when a white man does take them, he usually gets away with it. That's what is at the core of Black Lives Matter. That a black teenagers life should be worth more then some trigger happy cops reputation.
Holy shit that's one low opinion you hold of blacks.
Okay seriously stop calling them 'blacks'. Try African Americans.
It's their fucking culture and I've been saying this for years now, not that I'd expect someone who only started reading my posts yesterday to be aware of that but holy shit the projection and racist implications of that projection are... actually to be expected of the modern far left now that I think about it.
You understand I was being sarcastic right? Okay you can not be that dumb.
Fun fact Here is a list of American cities that are predominantly black and have lower crimes rates then the national average:
All predominantly African American, all essentially parts of 'black culture' yet with lowered crime rates. Almost like there's more to crime rates then merely black people existing.
Because things like the ghetto and urban crime are able to get out of hand owing to population density and poverty. Combined with lack of access to proper education and the prevalence of drugs in the inner cities as well as poor efforts by police as is the case in Chicago according to at least one report: https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download all factor into causing black crime rates.
Saying 'it's just their culture' is really only one step above saying 'its their biology' and since pretty much every fascist actually believes the latter while dogwhistling it as the former my sarcastic comment kind of cut through the core of your argument to see the gooey center.
I don't think you know what an anomaly is, because not only am I not acting like they're an anomaly, you're the one doing just that. In fact I and others have specifically pointed out the only anomaly for mass shootings are Asians. Whites are slightly less likely to commit mass shootings based on demographic make up of the country, blacks slightly more (but neither is outside what would be expected), Hispanics significantly less likely (an anomaly) and Asians specifically more likely (another anomaly).
Yet still literal tonnes of people got shot by white people not only this year, but last year, the year before that and the year before that and so on.
As much as I hate the war on drugs I'd like to point out that it was black democrats who pushed for it the hardest and that the black community keeps voting for people who promise to take a tough on crime approach.
It may have failed but there's a reason why it goes on.
Yeah it's called the Southern Strategy.
Yet you don't see the same result between the two, and this is made clear when you look at the homicide rate by race and notice that whites and Hispanics (who are placed in the same demographic box for it) are in line with Canada's homicide rate as well as many other first world nations.
Anders Brevik called 'Call of Duty' his 'training simulator. I think toxic masculinity is real and it effects white people just in a different way.
You quote a bunch of mined soundbites (one of which was from MCNBC, a news outlet so bad even the Clintons call it out as unreliable) and ContraPoint?
With sources like that I wonder if even liberals make it into your recommendation feed.
DO YOU DENY THAT DONALD TRUMP SAID THOSE GOD DAMNED WORDS?!
That is video footage of Donald Trump openly endorsing and advocating violence against protestors at his rallies. Regardless of if the source was MSNBC, CNN, FOX, ABC or even just a grimy handicam being operated by a registered sex offender it MAKES NO DIFFERENCE because it is still video footage of the man HIMSELF saying those words.
That is my source. Donald Trump's mouth!
Unless you would like to argue that wasn't Donald Trump? Maybe it was Hillary in cunning disguise? Perhaps it was a brilliantly lifelife animatronic puppet that someone was operating in the background? Maybe Donald Trump has an evil clone and he's been getting all the news coverage while the good wholesome Donald Trump you support is just trying to do right by people? Or maybe it's just those pesky reptilians again?
Or maybe you know he said those things and rather then acknowledge that he said those things you want to bitch about the sources who point out that he said those things.
In that case dude you'd probably sleep better at night if you just admitted that he said those things. Denial at this point is kind of amazing.
GOP Senator shooter guy got no one.
The Portland guy got two people but he had changed his stance and went from supporting Bernie to Trump
So he changed his stance... yet none of the outlets that would have loved nothing more then that reported it... and he went on a spree... because he'd won.[/quote]
I think we're talking about two different people. I'm talking about the guy who stabbed two people on a train because they looked Muslim. He was by all accounts a far right nutjob who did support Bernie but switched allegience to Trump after Trump won. Thought from what I can tell he also wanted to kill Trump and Hillary.... I dunno you can't rationalize that level of crazy.
Was off, turns out it was 6, not 8.[/quote]
Okay I'll grant you that one.
But also get this the Vegas shooter? Loved Trump
Yeah and the Sandy Hook shooter supported Obama, what's your point? I doubt that Sandy Hook was done because of the fact what's-his-face supported Obama, and the Vegas shooting makes no sense if it was done because that guy supported Trump.
I know there's no reason I just find it funny because all the usual alt right sources were scrambling to find a way to make that guy Antifa and it turned out no actually he was a trumpster.
That said the Vegas Shooting does actually seem to have been done specifically because the guy was bonkers and since he's dead we may never actually know a motive. And hell his motive could have been 'I need to shoot people because I saw the devil in my cereal that morning'.
Hence why I support gun control.
Uh, what? You've brought it up once and I didn't think it was worth responding to because, well it's pretty fucking self evident why I wouldn't take issue with saying that Nazis are bad when it's a case of them being actual Nazis (which, for reference, is only about 5% of the time when it comes to the modern far left claiming someone is a Nazis, for fuck sake conservative Jews are being accused of being Nazis now).
You say that but I see you repeating their talking points over and over again and constantly making excuses for them and even in the face of genuine examples of white right wing terrorism you immediately try to shift the blame to Antifa, which is the perfect escape tactic that fascists use all the time.
You're worried about me for not defending a small group of assholes
Several hundred thousand strong?
to instead focus on a larger group of assholes who have media support, have members of the government who support them, have rich assholes financially supporting them,
What you mean the alt right? Excused by fox news, have their own media network and echo chamber of support and who the God Damned president had to be pressured to call them out by name?
who attack people in my city regularly in the name of stopping acts that they are the only ones committing in my city,
Source? Not that I don't believe you but I can't find anything on the subject.
who in Boston saw a group of hippies, BLM supporters and an Indian American Democratic politician get together for a free speech rally and said "you see that example of a free liberal democracy? We need to show up at it outnumbering them literally 100 to 1".
Because people see through the bullshit now and see a 'Free Speech Rally' as what it actually was. This rally came after Charlottesville, where the whole world got a glimpse of what happens when these people are allowed to congregate in huge numbers and rally. People get hurt or even killed. Sure maybe these guys are 'Alt Lite' and not 'Alt Right' but as I have said many times, fascists love to conceal their true intentions and since 'Free Speech rallies' have been used as a dogwhistle for Nazi meetups before it's not surprising that in the wake of that people responded badly. It wasn't opposition of 'Free Speech' anymore then these stupid 'it's okay to be white' flyers is evidence of Anti White sentiment. It was because after Charlottesville people recognized the dogwhistles and knew exactly where they were coming from.
Again you say you aren't one of them and you condemn them but you keep making excuses for them.
There's no deflection towards Antifa, the mentality behind it and the acts by it and its supporters is what's led to a small fringe of neo-Nazis coming about in the first place.
"It's not the Nazis fault they're nazis. It's Antifa's fault they're nazis! Why aren't we focusing exclusively on Antifa?"
That is what a deflection looks like.
Some may lie that it's the other way around but given how that implies that neo-Nazis have access to time travel and one neo-Nazi is as dangerous as a hundred far left terrorists, unless someone can prove that it is the case (a ludicrously tall order that has yet to be accomplished by anyone, which is why it's only believed by the religious left) I'll focus on the ones who are significantly more likely to beat the living shit out of me for existing.
Well I mean like technically the first case of Antifa fighting Nazis was you know... World War 2.
But more broadly do you have a reliable source that 'Antifa' actually predates all modern forms of Neo-Nazism or is this another moment for an awkward pause.
That's the thing about self interest, if something is more likely to be a threat to you, you focus on it more.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm never responding to your posts again if they're so long it'll take over an hour to properly do so. Holy shit is this a waste of time that isn't worth it.
Hey how the fuck do you think I feel.
Goodbye farewell our feet are saying goodbye.