Why can't we like things without ruining it? Rick and Morty x McDonalds.

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Dansen:

Smithnikov:
LowTierGod/DarksydePhil fans.

Those sociopaths have fans? Like people who genuinely admire them, not people who enjoy watching them wallow in their shit?

Have you heard of this thing called the "Internet"?

This was made last friday, the day before saucemaggedon. It can be applied to any fandom known for their obsessive fans like Steven Universe, Undertale, Homestuck or League of Legends.

Saelune:

PsychedelicDiamond:
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I think too many people, both fans and haters, think Rick is supposed to be a role model. He isnt. Its Morty who people are supposed to relate to, not Rick.

Exactly. "Smart" Rick and Morty fans don't realize that the show is calling them stupid assholes. Rick is a stupid asshole. He may be the 'smartest man in the multiverse', but he's a total dick who regularly gets shown up by people with actual wisdom. And instead of doing anything that makes him happy, he spends all of his time wallowing in misery so he can feel smart.

It's Fight Club all over again.

I'm not gonna lie, I don't know if I could restrain myself from punching one of these R&M fans in the dick if I was a McDonald's employee and they were climbing on the counter and screeching at me. Treat them just like their hero would.

Yes, but as a UK person who never had the chance to TRY this legendary sauce... we're missing the big point here and focusing on the crazy riots.

There is a far, far more important question.

What DOES it taste like?

KaraFang:
Yes, but as a UK person who never had the chance to TRY this legendary sauce... we're missing the big point here and focusing on the crazy riots.

There is a far, far more important question.

What DOES it taste like?


(I dont actually know either)

KaraFang:
Yes, but as a UK person who never had the chance to TRY this legendary sauce... we're missing the big point here and focusing on the crazy riots.

There is a far, far more important question.

What DOES it taste like?

I mean, I love getting szechuan dumplings whenever I pick up Chinese. It's probably a thicker, faker version of that.

ObsidianJones:

I shied away from the show due to the rabid fan base before this whole incident, like I said before.

Also, police activity was in several locations in America. La Brea, Cali was the one that had the biggest numbers, at least a thousand. That turned physical. UPenn had police order over loud speaker that they didn't have sauce any more and return home, while the NYC lines were frankly ridiculous. Wellington Fl had cops come to officiate crowd dispersal when fans got too angry.

However, the question isn't "Is it really worth denouncing the whole show and fandom". The question is how can the fans not have the wherewithal to realize they more than likely actively damaged what they love.

We have politicians being 'outraged' that we dare talk about climate change after back to back cripplingly devastating hurricanes and now wildfires on the lighter side, several football players taking a knee is figuratively tearing this nation apart on the medium side, to a maniac's actions being used to erode a part of the constitution on the heavier side. This global climate can be summed up by "Overreaction Triggered".

Any distasteful action that can be attributed to a group will usually be used by the masses in order to paint that group as a whole. Mob think is a nice way of saying weakness. Everyone had a choice to make and some did it right. I applaud those people. But sadly, we live in this society. Where it doesn't matter how well you do something or how great a person you are, it only matters if the fringes of the same group you identify with does something wrong. Then the whole group is treated with the same suspicion.

Ah right, yeah the original article did say 'at least one outlet,' so perhaps it was typed up a while ago and kept itself open on the issue.

I agree with everything you've said so far, these humans are disappointing and could have picked almost anything else to be a bother about. They're young, mostly male, disassociated though... who knows, if they went to a decent sized protest rally (or counter-protest...shh!), we might be seeing certain anxious right-wing pundits claiming they're terrorists instead and there'd be a whole different type of thread pop up in R&P. But it would be some improvement at least. ;)

Have personally avoided fandoms, even of material I enjoy, not sure if intentionally or not, just never felt the desire for whatever reason. So the perception of this one in particular is new to me. Hopefully there'll be a moment or two of maturity, self-realisation or eye-opening experience that realigns some of their priorities as they start waking up to the world, but that isn't usually expected to be an instant thing, depends on their environment and consciousness, amongst other influencing factors.

Benpasko:
It's Fight Club all over again.

I want to personally thank you. This one sentence blew up in my mind.

It is like Fight Club all over again. Where people looked past the deconstruction of a mind so removed from society as a whole, his pitiful attempts to ape it lead to him at once cry for acceptance while schisming from it so vastly his secret desire was to burn it to the ground.

It's like the Gregory Houses that would much rather use his intellect to belittle instead of tackle his own issues, but people laud him as great because he's smart and cruel.

It was like the first season (series) of Sherlock.

I find nothing wrong with disenfranchisement. Yes, we have a society built on vanity and inanity. Substance is far and fleeting. But instead of building something, instead of being part of the solution, we have a ton of people who think they are onto something ground breaking when they hear "Let the world burn". While decrying it, they wholeheartedly buy into the society's vapidness by stalwartly refusing to become people of worth or adding anything to the social construct of which we all find ourselves in... by becoming the very thing they hate.

They become the meme pushers. They become those who take from society with nothing replacing it. They become the masses that future generations will look at, think nothing about this society matters, and they'll join whatever counterculture figures of their time.

... Wow. Shot of Bleakness right into the arm.

Saelune:

PsychedelicDiamond:
It doesn't surprise me. Not that I hate Rick and Morty, not particulary strongly at least, but let's be honest here, the show is pretty douchy. What else am I supposed to take from Rick and the way the show treats him other than "You can act like an obnoxious, drunk fratboy and still be treated as the biggest badass around as long as you're smart". It's not very surprising that it would attract people who'd act like obnoxious, drunk fratboys and thing they're hot shit.

I think too many people, both fans and haters, think Rick is supposed to be a role model. He isnt. Its Morty who people are supposed to relate to, not Rick.

I thought so too, at first, but I've actually met people who just straight up seem to like Rick. Never underestimate the ability of at least some members of the audience to entirely miss the point. Even besides that, the show is generally incredibly cynical. Quite a bit of the humor seems to revolve around people getting screwed in various ways. I watch it and I like it, but I'm not surpised it would attract some fairly unpleasant charactars.

Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here? A quick skim of just the four linked articles in this thread show that not every McDonald's had the sauce, some locations lied about having the sauce for hours while making customers (who thought they were getting their sauce) buy food. And the locations that did have the sauce only had twenty packets each.

Because stupid people ruin everything. Enough said.

Though am I the only one hoping the show writers poke fun at this at some point? This kinda feels like something they might make fun of...

twistedmic:
Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here? A quick skim of just the four linked articles in this thread show that not every McDonald's had the sauce, some locations lied about having the sauce for hours while making customers (who thought they were getting their sauce) buy food. And the locations that did have the sauce only had twenty packets each.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1023847-Why-cant-we-like-things-without-ruining-it-Rick-and-Morty-x-McDonalds#24138344

Schadrach did bring it up, but alot of people just want to hate on Rick and Morty. I used to think I was very aggressive against fandoms I dont like, but I have learned I am not so bad.

This sucks, now I'm embarrassed to say I'm a fan of the show because people think of these guys first...

twistedmic:
Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here? A quick skim of just the four linked articles in this thread show that not every McDonald's had the sauce, some locations lied about having the sauce for hours while making customers (who thought they were getting their sauce) buy food. And the locations that did have the sauce only had twenty packets each.

McDonald's clearly fucked up. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that. But these people carry all the blame for how they chose to react, and a lot of people chose to react like massive wankers.

twistedmic:
Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here?

Because ultimately these people are acting like utter fucktards over some cheap sauce. There is no justification for that

I work in customer service and deal with people acting like entitled bellends every day of the week over inconsequential shit. People need to grow the fuck up and realise that those poor fuckers working in McD's are doing a shitty job for probably just over minimum wage and the last thing they need is to deal with crap like this

Saelune:

PsychedelicDiamond:
It doesn't surprise me. Not that I hate Rick and Morty, not particulary strongly at least, but let's be honest here, the show is pretty douchy. What else am I supposed to take from Rick and the way the show treats him other than "You can act like an obnoxious, drunk fratboy and still be treated as the biggest badass around as long as you're smart". It's not very surprising that it would attract people who'd act like obnoxious, drunk fratboys and thing they're hot shit.

I think too many people, both fans and haters, think Rick is supposed to be a role model. He isnt. Its Morty who people are supposed to relate to, not Rick.

That's what I took away from the limited watching of the show. Still, when you have a raving asshat like Rick being featured front and center you've got to expect that some people (in this case A LOT of people) missing the point entirely.

Saelune:

Schadrach did bring it up, but alot of people just want to hate on Rick and Morty. I used to think I was very aggressive against fandoms I dont like, but I have learned I am not so bad.

My mistake. I kinda skimmed the thread and just saw a bunch of Rick and Morty hate.

MetalDooley:

twistedmic:
Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here?

Because ultimately these people are acting like utter fucktards over some cheap sauce. There is no justification for that

So you're pretty much ignoring borderline false advertising and blaming the customers that got fucked over by shitty customer service?

I work in customer service and deal with people acting like entitled bellends every day of the week over inconsequential shit.

What's inconsequential to you might not be inconsequential to someone else. I don't drink or smoke so to me it's inconsequential if my local stores only carry twenty packs of cigarettes or six-packs.
I don't like sweet peas so it's inconsequential to me if Target only carries twenty bags of frozen peas.

People need to grow the fuck up and realise that those poor fuckers working in McD's are doing a shitty job for probably just over minimum wage and the last thing they need is to deal with crap like this

Granted, working in retail/customer service sucks for the most part. But that still doesn't excuse management and corporate from fucking up and causing a hassle, either through incompetence or design.

KaraFang:
Yes, but as a UK person who never had the chance to TRY this legendary sauce... we're missing the big point here and focusing on the crazy riots.

There is a far, far more important question.

What DOES it taste like?

It's a McDonald's sauce, so very likely it tastes like 95% salt with some "authentic" mix of herbs tossed in.

I mean, hell, the "special sauce" for the Big Mac is just mayo, relish and a few other things.

I saw one reference to Pickle Rick - no more than a name as I was scrolling through something before the episode came out, and I thought to myself that they would just reuse the, "I'm tiny Rick!" joke. I hate that I was right.

twistedmic:

Saelune:

Schadrach did bring it up, but alot of people just want to hate on Rick and Morty. I used to think I was very aggressive against fandoms I dont like, but I have learned I am not so bad.

My mistake. I kinda skimmed the thread and just saw a bunch of Rick and Morty hate.

Ok, this comment scares me.

By your word, I went back on the 52 postings at the time of your response to see the bunch of hate you were talking about

Gordon_4:
Well, anything that tanks the reputation of that stupid show is aces for me, but I'd prefer that it didn't escalate to require police dispersal.

PsychedelicDiamond:
It doesn't surprise me. Not that I hate Rick and Morty, not particulary strongly at least, but let's be honest here, the show is pretty douchy. What else am I supposed to take from Rick and the way the show treats him other than "You can act like an obnoxious, drunk fratboy and still be treated as the biggest badass around as long as you're smart". It's not very surprising that it would attract people who'd act like obnoxious, drunk fratboys and thing they're hot shit.

These are the closest comments that come to hate. Gordon_4 outright says it's stupid. Diamond doesn't really hate it strongly, but feels like it's douchy.

The rest of the comments are ranging from being fans to being on the fence about it to not watching it any more. There is no outpouring of hate as which you described.

For the record, I think it was stupid of McDonald's to do this in such a manner. Perhaps it was a way to test actual interest in it (and if so, mission accomplished), but they did bungle. Like one store was listed to have 20 packets but it was never delivered.

That being said, outrage on the levels of police needing to be called in a few different states due to a cartoon's obsession with a sauce being aped into a segment of the fanbase is upsetting. McDonald screwed up logistically. But they didn't harass employees, turn to violence, or threatened other people's safety while taxing police mobility to deal with serious crimes because thousands of people were angry about a sauce most probably didn't know existed until a comment in a cartoon a few months ago.

twistedmic:
Why is it that McDonald's is not getting any of the blame here? A quick skim of just the four linked articles in this thread show that not every McDonald's had the sauce, some locations lied about having the sauce for hours while making customers (who thought they were getting their sauce) buy food. And the locations that did have the sauce only had twenty packets each.

Because an actual decent human being who doesn't get a packet of sauce just shrugs and goes on with their life. McDonald's mess up should have resulted in people being disappointed and nothing more

ObsidianJones:

Benpasko:
It's Fight Club all over again.

I want to personally thank you. This one sentence blew up in my mind.

It is like Fight Club all over again. Where people looked past the deconstruction of a mind so removed from society as a whole, his pitiful attempts to ape it lead to him at once cry for acceptance while schisming from it so vastly his secret desire was to burn it to the ground.

It's like the Gregory Houses that would much rather use his intellect to belittle instead of tackle his own issues, but people laud him as great because he's smart and cruel.

It was like the first season (series) of Sherlock.

I find nothing wrong with disenfranchisement. Yes, we have a society built on vanity and inanity. Substance is far and fleeting. But instead of building something, instead of being part of the solution, we have a ton of people who think they are onto something ground breaking when they hear "Let the world burn". While decrying it, they wholeheartedly buy into the society's vapidness by stalwartly refusing to become people of worth or adding anything to the social construct of which we all find ourselves in... by becoming the very thing they hate.

They become the meme pushers. They become those who take from society with nothing replacing it. They become the masses that future generations will look at, think nothing about this society matters, and they'll join whatever counterculture figures of their time.

... Wow. Shot of Bleakness right into the arm.

I think often people who are fans of smart jerks in TV shows may imagine that the smart jerk would be their buddy as opposed to just tearing into them

Schadrach:
From what I understand, McDonald's kind of fucked up this promotion from a logistical standpoint. Most participating outlets got less than 2 dozen of the sauce in total and there were a bunch of locations that were advertised as participating but had no stock whatsoever.

Yeah people went nuts, and yeah let's laugh at the idiots, but this really was a logistical mess on McDonald's side.

I rather think failing at their promotion of the sauce is pretty minor and dumb, not something to care much about. People rioting over it tho, that's more of a concern and more of a failure than the promotion being done poorly

twistedmic:

Saelune:

Schadrach did bring it up, but alot of people just want to hate on Rick and Morty. I used to think I was very aggressive against fandoms I dont like, but I have learned I am not so bad.

My mistake. I kinda skimmed the thread and just saw a bunch of Rick and Morty hate.

Not really criticizing you. You raise a good point, I just think Shadrach deserves credit for being the only other person to bring it up.

It's funny, I'd kinda forgotten the show had brought up the sauce, even despite people getting sent promotional bottles of the stuff. I ain't going to say I saw this coming, but there were definitely alarm bells going off when I first encountered Pickle Rick.
It was one of those 'Aw hell, the internet is gonna go nuts' moments. Perfect meme material.
What evaded me was the goddamn sauce meme. THAT was also perfect, gotta love them fourth wall breaks after all. I don't think anyone didn't see that becoming huge.
Well, except me of course.

I enjoy the show, but it definitely feels like it's pandering to the fans. Pickle Rick has that Mr Meeseeks feel to it, something the fans will sink their mitts into.

https://www.thewrap.com/rick-and-morty-season-3-finale-pickle-rick-dan-harmon/

Oh.

"I make no bones about that I'm a little bit of a sociopath creatively, in that if the audience doesn't like something, then I don't like it," the "Community" creator said. "I follow my bliss and try to go with my own definitions. I don't operate in the writers room in terms of what I think is going to make people happy. I make myself happy because I know if I don't do that, I'll fail."

He was quick to add, "However, the entire time I'm doing that, following my own bliss, I'm thinking, 'Geez, is anyone going to like this?' And if they don't, then I blew it because it's TV, not a personal massage device that there's going to be one consumer for - weird metaphor. Pickle Rick's my favorite because it's everyone else's favorite."

I like the show, it has some really fun moments, but the fandom pisses me the fuck off. I don't really want to say I like the show anymore, lest I be lumped in with these proper weirdos.

To me, its like Minecraft: Its fun, and it has a gimmick, but it was a hell of a lot more fun *before* the crazy kids got into the mix and ruined it for everyone with their memes.

ObsidianJones:
I'm not a fan of the show. I never watched it. I've stopped watching tv a long time ago, and it never came into my sights until rabid fans descended and immediately turned me off about it.

Recently, McDonald's took a mention of their sauce that was made for a tie in with the theatrical release of Mulan and ran with it, releasing a limited edition run of the sauce for one day, October the seventh.

It led to Angry crowds of one thousand plus yelling "We Want Sauce". Police had to come to disperse the crowd.

What is it with people? Why... I don't have the words. Well, I do, but I hate dropping the "Entitled" card. I literally just don't understand behavior like this. It paints you, your fellow fans, and what you supposed revere in such a negative light that you're actively ruining what you love.

This isn't protesting war mongering, this isn't asking for equal rights, this isn't bringing up unsafe working conditions. This was a one time sauce deal that created more unrest around this nation than any unjust killing has all year.

Stuff like this makes me feel that social inanity weighs more on the collective conscious of this society than the lives of others. It is a horrible feeling and I wish to be wrong.

But barring those feelings. What is it with the lack of maturity of things we're fans of? I won't say "nowadays". I'm sure it happened when I was a kid, but I was still developing as a social minded creature that I wasn't aware of it as much as I am now. But really, why do masses allow themselves to paint them and what they supposedly covet ugly due to deplorable reactions over nothing occurrences?

While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.

It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.

McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.

Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.

Neonsilver:

While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.

It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.

McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.

Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.

I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.

Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.

The reason why most people aren't pointing out at McDonald's now is because companies fail us in other ways often. Is it a wonderful experience? Hell no. But we don't riots over these things. My little cousin wanted a Classic NES badly and I wanted to get one for her and I couldn't. She didn't rip her living room apart. We got some sorbet, I apologized, and she was bummed for a few days. I was heart broken.

And we moved on.

Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested. As much as catering to fans sounds like a great idea when you are a fan, McDonald's had no way of knowing the out pouring would be this huge. Yeah, there are devoted fans to this show, but I don't think anyone in a McDonald's thinktank would believe that there would be Canada to America Border Crossings to get a bite of sauce.

They probably didn't want to produce a whole bunch of sauce that might not have been asked for. McDonald's doesn't see us as people they should care for. They are a corporation. They see things in terms of making money and losing money. And having a whole bunch of sauce that no one is buying is firmly in the losing money category. Now they know the demand. And they already went to phase two saying it will happen again. And much like the NES classic, people will pounce on it harder than this time, driving up their sales. Reprehensible, certainly. But they are a business. Not a moral center.

Again, I don't find their tactics laudable. But this is a business practice happening all over the world constantly. While this is love to you and your fellow fans, this is business for them... and somewhat insanity to us on the fringes. Because yes, we all had these moments. When the iphone riots happened in China some years ago, I equally thought they were unhinged... as it is a phone. Riots or civil unrest over commercial items is mind boggling.

And I'm sorry... to me, it is hard to imagine that every Rick and Morty fan would go to McDonald's over a sauce. I don't eat McDonalds. Most of my family and friends do not. Frankly, McDonald's sales have been declining in the US for most of this year, a trend that's been happening for several years now. The more and more that people are less interested in McDonalds, the more it bleeds out of my consciousness.

And personally, I do not allow my interests to dictate where I'm going to eat as much as other people, it seems. McDonald's could have a Krav Maga day and I wouldn't eat there. They could have Street Fighter 3 third strike tournaments and I wouldn't be compelled to eat there. No disrespect to Rick and Morty fans, but not everyone eats or chooses to spend money at a place where there's a callout to their personal fandom. That's why testing the waters (if that's the case) was a great idea for McDonalds because they got a ton of publicity, albeit not all good, and created even more demand when they roll out with it later.

They now created a model for at least a revenue jolt any time they think sales are lower than usual. "Multiverse sauce is back at McDonald's for a limited time!".

Anyway, business decisions aside, it's sauce. From a bad fast food place. Disappointment aside (and yes McDonalds deserves blame for manufacturing disappointment), the actions that the collective of fans chose which made police presence needed in several states is an overreaction. And there's no talking out of that.

Because it's a sauce. From a bad fast food 'restaurant'. That a cartoon character referenced.

ObsidianJones:

Neonsilver:

While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.

It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.

McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.

Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.

I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.

Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.

The reason why most people aren't pointing out at McDonald's now is because companies fail us in other ways often. Is it a wonderful experience? Hell no. But we don't riots over these things. My little cousin wanted a Classic NES badly and I wanted to get one for her and I couldn't. She didn't rip her living room apart. We got some sorbet, I apologized, and she was bummed for a few days. I was heart broken.

And we moved on.

Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested. As much as catering to fans sounds like a great idea when you are a fan, McDonald's had no way of knowing the out pouring would be this huge. Yeah, there are devoted fans to this show, but I don't think anyone in a McDonald's thinktank would believe that there would be Canada to America Border Crossings to get a bite of sauce.

They probably didn't want to produce a whole bunch of sauce that might not have been asked for. McDonald's doesn't see us as people they should care for. They are a corporation. They see things in terms of making money and losing money. And having a whole bunch of sauce that no one is buying is firmly in the losing money category. Now they know the demand. And they already went to phase two saying it will happen again. And much like the NES classic, people will pounce on it harder than this time, driving up their sales. Reprehensible, certainly. But they are a business. Not a moral center.

Again, I don't find their tactics laudable. But this is a business practice happening all over the world constantly. While this is love to you and your fellow fans, this is business for them... and somewhat insanity to us on the fringes. Because yes, we all had these moments. When the iphone riots happened in China some years ago, I equally thought they were unhinged... as it is a phone. Riots or civil unrest over commercial items is mind boggling.

And I'm sorry... to me, it is hard to imagine that every Rick and Morty fan would go to McDonald's over a sauce. I don't eat McDonalds. Most of my family and friends do not. Frankly, McDonald's sales have been declining in the US for most of this year, a trend that's been happening for several years now. The more and more that people are less interested in McDonalds, the more it bleeds out of my consciousness.

And personally, I do not allow my interests to dictate where I'm going to eat as much as other people, it seems. McDonald's could have a Krav Maga day and I wouldn't eat there. They could have Street Fighter 3 third strike tournaments and I wouldn't be compelled to eat there. No disrespect to Rick and Morty fans, but not everyone eats or chooses to spend money at a place where there's a callout to their personal fandom. That's why testing the waters (if that's the case) was a great idea for McDonalds because they got a ton of publicity, albeit not all good, and created even more demand when they roll out with it later.

They now created a model for at least a revenue jolt any time they think sales are lower than usual. "Multiverse sauce is back at McDonald's for a limited time!".

Anyway, business decisions aside, it's sauce. From a bad fast food place. Disappointment aside (and yes McDonalds deserves blame for manufacturing disappointment), the actions that the collective of fans chose which made police presence needed in several states is an overreaction. And there's no talking out of that.

Because it's a sauce. From a bad fast food 'restaurant'. That a cartoon character referenced.

Im sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

Saelune:
I'm sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

That would be fair if I once talked about the show, Rick and Morty.

I have absolutely zero feelings about it. Other than seeing "Pickle Rick!!" made me chuckle like the first time I saw "I'm Rick James, Bitch".

I know the producers and creators of the show have zero to do with the promotion. I know that McDonald's knew that they didn't have any real link to the show, so they didn't call it "Rick and Morty's Multiverse Sauce".

I'm blaming the reaction by the fans. The people. Rick and Morty have little to nothing to do with the civil unrest. McDonald's had short supply (willing or no) of the sauce, but the sauce is the pinnacle of a luxury item that has nothing to do with living your life. I point the blame squarely to the fans who were out rioting over something that isn't essential for living. And again, not the fans of Rick and Morty who were at home or anywhere else not doing rioting. They are completely faultless.

Just the direct fans who rioted and/or caused civil unrest over sauce. They had many ways to react, and they chose the absolute poorest.

ObsidianJones:

Saelune:
I'm sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

That would be fair if I once talked about the show, Rick and Morty.

I have absolutely zero feelings about it. Other than seeing "Pickle Rick!!" made me chuckle like the first time I saw "I'm Rick James, Bitch".

I know the producers and creators of the show have zero to do with the promotion. I know that McDonald's knew that they didn't have any real link to the show, so they didn't call it "Rick and Morty's Multiverse Sauce".

I'm blaming the reaction by the fans. The people. Rick and Morty have little to nothing to do with the civil unrest. McDonald's had short supply (willing or no) of the sauce, but the sauce is the pinnacle of a luxury item that has nothing to do with living your life. I point the blame squarely to the fans who were out rioting over something that isn't essential for living. And again, not the fans of Rick and Morty who were at home or anywhere else not doing rioting. They are completely faultless.

Just the direct fans who rioted and/or caused civil unrest over sauce. They had many ways to react, and they chose the absolute poorest.

If that was your intent, then I think you have poorly expressed that.

Saelune:
If that was your intent, then I think you have poorly expressed that.

Fair enough. If that's the case, thank you for bringing it to my attention. Link me to my posts where I said that the Show was to blame for the Fans' actions and I'll correct it right now.

Neonsilver:

ObsidianJones:
I'm not a fan of the show. I never watched it. I've stopped watching tv a long time ago, and it never came into my sights until rabid fans descended and immediately turned me off about it.

Recently, McDonald's took a mention of their sauce that was made for a tie in with the theatrical release of Mulan and ran with it, releasing a limited edition run of the sauce for one day, October the seventh.

It led to Angry crowds of one thousand plus yelling "We Want Sauce". Police had to come to disperse the crowd.

What is it with people? Why... I don't have the words. Well, I do, but I hate dropping the "Entitled" card. I literally just don't understand behavior like this. It paints you, your fellow fans, and what you supposed revere in such a negative light that you're actively ruining what you love.

This isn't protesting war mongering, this isn't asking for equal rights, this isn't bringing up unsafe working conditions. This was a one time sauce deal that created more unrest around this nation than any unjust killing has all year.

Stuff like this makes me feel that social inanity weighs more on the collective conscious of this society than the lives of others. It is a horrible feeling and I wish to be wrong.

But barring those feelings. What is it with the lack of maturity of things we're fans of? I won't say "nowadays". I'm sure it happened when I was a kid, but I was still developing as a social minded creature that I wasn't aware of it as much as I am now. But really, why do masses allow themselves to paint them and what they supposedly covet ugly due to deplorable reactions over nothing occurrences?

While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.

It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.

McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.

Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.

The fault for what? The riot? Because lolno, disproportionate reactions are the fault of those who reacted disproportionately

Saelune:

ObsidianJones:

Neonsilver:

While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.

It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.

McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.

Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.

I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.

Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.

The reason why most people aren't pointing out at McDonald's now is because companies fail us in other ways often. Is it a wonderful experience? Hell no. But we don't riots over these things. My little cousin wanted a Classic NES badly and I wanted to get one for her and I couldn't. She didn't rip her living room apart. We got some sorbet, I apologized, and she was bummed for a few days. I was heart broken.

And we moved on.

Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested. As much as catering to fans sounds like a great idea when you are a fan, McDonald's had no way of knowing the out pouring would be this huge. Yeah, there are devoted fans to this show, but I don't think anyone in a McDonald's thinktank would believe that there would be Canada to America Border Crossings to get a bite of sauce.

They probably didn't want to produce a whole bunch of sauce that might not have been asked for. McDonald's doesn't see us as people they should care for. They are a corporation. They see things in terms of making money and losing money. And having a whole bunch of sauce that no one is buying is firmly in the losing money category. Now they know the demand. And they already went to phase two saying it will happen again. And much like the NES classic, people will pounce on it harder than this time, driving up their sales. Reprehensible, certainly. But they are a business. Not a moral center.

Again, I don't find their tactics laudable. But this is a business practice happening all over the world constantly. While this is love to you and your fellow fans, this is business for them... and somewhat insanity to us on the fringes. Because yes, we all had these moments. When the iphone riots happened in China some years ago, I equally thought they were unhinged... as it is a phone. Riots or civil unrest over commercial items is mind boggling.

And I'm sorry... to me, it is hard to imagine that every Rick and Morty fan would go to McDonald's over a sauce. I don't eat McDonalds. Most of my family and friends do not. Frankly, McDonald's sales have been declining in the US for most of this year, a trend that's been happening for several years now. The more and more that people are less interested in McDonalds, the more it bleeds out of my consciousness.

And personally, I do not allow my interests to dictate where I'm going to eat as much as other people, it seems. McDonald's could have a Krav Maga day and I wouldn't eat there. They could have Street Fighter 3 third strike tournaments and I wouldn't be compelled to eat there. No disrespect to Rick and Morty fans, but not everyone eats or chooses to spend money at a place where there's a callout to their personal fandom. That's why testing the waters (if that's the case) was a great idea for McDonalds because they got a ton of publicity, albeit not all good, and created even more demand when they roll out with it later.

They now created a model for at least a revenue jolt any time they think sales are lower than usual. "Multiverse sauce is back at McDonald's for a limited time!".

Anyway, business decisions aside, it's sauce. From a bad fast food place. Disappointment aside (and yes McDonalds deserves blame for manufacturing disappointment), the actions that the collective of fans chose which made police presence needed in several states is an overreaction. And there's no talking out of that.

Because it's a sauce. From a bad fast food 'restaurant'. That a cartoon character referenced.

Im sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

What blame should McDonald's have exactly? They disappointed people. Big deal?

The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

ObsidianJones:

I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.

Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.

The reason why most people aren't pointing out at McDonald's now is because companies fail us in other ways often. Is it a wonderful experience? Hell no. But we don't riots over these things. My little cousin wanted a Classic NES badly and I wanted to get one for her and I couldn't. She didn't rip her living room apart. We got some sorbet, I apologized, and she was bummed for a few days. I was heart broken.

And we moved on.

Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested. As much as catering to fans sounds like a great idea when you are a fan, McDonald's had no way of knowing the out pouring would be this huge. Yeah, there are devoted fans to this show, but I don't think anyone in a McDonald's thinktank would believe that there would be Canada to America Border Crossings to get a bite of sauce.

They probably didn't want to produce a whole bunch of sauce that might not have been asked for. McDonald's doesn't see us as people they should care for. They are a corporation. They see things in terms of making money and losing money. And having a whole bunch of sauce that no one is buying is firmly in the losing money category. Now they know the demand. And they already went to phase two saying it will happen again. And much like the NES classic, people will pounce on it harder than this time, driving up their sales. Reprehensible, certainly. But they are a business. Not a moral center.

Again, I don't find their tactics laudable. But this is a business practice happening all over the world constantly. While this is love to you and your fellow fans, this is business for them... and somewhat insanity to us on the fringes. Because yes, we all had these moments. When the iphone riots happened in China some years ago, I equally thought they were unhinged... as it is a phone. Riots or civil unrest over commercial items is mind boggling.

And I'm sorry... to me, it is hard to imagine that every Rick and Morty fan would go to McDonald's over a sauce. I don't eat McDonalds. Most of my family and friends do not. Frankly, McDonald's sales have been declining in the US for most of this year, a trend that's been happening for several years now. The more and more that people are less interested in McDonalds, the more it bleeds out of my consciousness.

And personally, I do not allow my interests to dictate where I'm going to eat as much as other people, it seems. McDonald's could have a Krav Maga day and I wouldn't eat there. They could have Street Fighter 3 third strike tournaments and I wouldn't be compelled to eat there. No disrespect to Rick and Morty fans, but not everyone eats or chooses to spend money at a place where there's a callout to their personal fandom. That's why testing the waters (if that's the case) was a great idea for McDonalds because they got a ton of publicity, albeit not all good, and created even more demand when they roll out with it later.

They now created a model for at least a revenue jolt any time they think sales are lower than usual. "Multiverse sauce is back at McDonald's for a limited time!".

Anyway, business decisions aside, it's sauce. From a bad fast food place. Disappointment aside (and yes McDonalds deserves blame for manufacturing disappointment), the actions that the collective of fans chose which made police presence needed in several states is an overreaction. And there's no talking out of that.

Because it's a sauce. From a bad fast food 'restaurant'. That a cartoon character referenced.

Im sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

What blame should McDonald's have exactly? They disappointed people. Big deal?

The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly

Remember that next time some business screws you over for something -they- said they would do.

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