Reminder: NFL players kneeling for the Anthem was to protest racist Cops.

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KingsGambit:

The Decapitated Centaur:
Including the national anthem is itself political

No, it isn't. It is not political to play a national anthem.

Nationalism and patriotism are political

The Decapitated Centaur:
And quite frankly politics and lives are more important than competition and athleticism.

If that's true, it's interesting that politicians don't get paid nearly the same as sports stars. But I agree with you, politics are more important, I never suggested they weren't. I said that sports wasn't the place for them, and it isn't. Politicising sports can only harm the competition and the spectacle. As soon as any politics are introduced, it will alienate the others. It can be seen in the NFL where people have lost jobs, fans have turned their noses up at it. People don't want to watch it for political opinion, they watch it for the reasons I mentioned before.

That's not interesting at all unless you believe there's supposed to be some kind of justice in wealth which all of history ought to point to not being the case

Will it harm it for some? Suppose so. But based on which is more important oh well?

NFL players should do the Klingon discommendation ceremony at the flag every time the anthem plays.

The Decapitated Centaur:

KingsGambit:

The Decapitated Centaur:
Including the national anthem is itself political

No, it isn't. It is not political to play a national anthem.

Nationalism and patriotism are political

Yep. A certain amount of nationalism and patriotism might be mandated by the Overton window; it's all DEFINITELY political, though.

KingsGambit:
Whatever it was for, they're morons for doing it. Politics should not be involved in sports, movies or the arts. These are things that should be universal and international and cross boundaries in the name of athleticism and competition. That isn't to say movies or the arts cannot be about something, having a deeper message is not just fine, it's necessary for good art.

But where is this line between a game being about politics and thus adding things that don't belong in art, or a game that's about something that just happens to be political?

Persona 5 is a title that definitely had a lot to say about politics. Its story relies on addressing cultural and political problems in Japan, and through its main villain Persona 5 paints a pitch black image of Populism and those that vote for it. All those things benefited Persona and its doubtful the game would have been what it was without those themes.

Saelune:

Whitbane:

RobertEHouse:
NIKE does child labor still, https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88176&page=1

I am soo glad that people can over look the issue of children who are tortured and murdered. Present NIKE's attention as a silver lining to help end racism.Yet ignore the fact any NIKE products support child labor which is slavery. Brilliant, it's like protesting NAZISM by buying CHINESE products that were made by child political prisoners.People are letting one evil slip by because it "benefits"their agendas. It is so beyond hypocritical it can cause one's own head to spin.

The worst thing about this is how the markets work, either way NIKE is on top. Idiots, will no-doubt buy their products in a sign of solidarity as a statement.Not knowing or really caring what NIKE does to make their shoes and shirts for their protest. NIKE knows this and depending on how long the attention is, will start "guerrilla marketing" those targeted demographics hard.End of racism is fine, but whenever a corporation is associated with a movement that is brilliant marketing.

Exactly. Do people actually think Nike cares about police brutality in the US? No, they are just using it to get people to buy their products. Acting like they are actually concerned and and pretending to be a moral paragon when they still use child labour and beat their workers over in third-world sweatshops. How easy people love to forget that when suddenly they are crusading a topic people are invested in.

Well if we want to talk about people who don't actually care about what they say they care about, lets talk about all the people upset at kneeling for the flag. The people who think patriotism is supporting police brutality against minorities, cause guess what! They are not patriots. They are the opposite of patriots, they are just enablers of abuse. True patriots want their country to be the best it can be, and that means pointing out its flaws so to fix them. With or without Nike, Kaepernick is a real patriot because he is standing up for something good. That is what this country was supposedly founded on. There is nothing more un-American than accepting an abusive and distant government regime that just oppresses you.

There is one problem Saelune, the problem is no matter what Kaepernick does. His message is associated with NIKE, a black man supporting a corporation that enslaves hundreds if not a millions of children.So let's talk about enablers and abuse because it's also on the opposite foot, with Kaepernick's ad it is enabling NIKE to sell more shirts and shoes made by child slavery.As idiot's will buy NIKE products to be in solidarity with what Kaepernick stands for, they will unwittingly be supporting another injustice child slavery. Kaepernick was payed by NIKE not because of his politics, but because he is controversial and in the right way that NIKE easily exploited. Kaepernick can stand for whatever he believes in, but he is not at the same level as King or Malcolm X as neither. He jumped on an ad to get payed millions of dollars and through cleaver NIKE marketing they were able to pull at people's emotions to buy NIKE. It worked so well that people are taking notice of NIKE's "stance" to "support Kaepernick" without realizing they were being manipulated to buy crap. Kaepernick might be considered a patriot by some but right now his image and stance are used to sell shirts,shirt and pants.

RobertEHouse:

Saelune:

Whitbane:

Exactly. Do people actually think Nike cares about police brutality in the US? No, they are just using it to get people to buy their products. Acting like they are actually concerned and and pretending to be a moral paragon when they still use child labour and beat their workers over in third-world sweatshops. How easy people love to forget that when suddenly they are crusading a topic people are invested in.

Well if we want to talk about people who don't actually care about what they say they care about, lets talk about all the people upset at kneeling for the flag. The people who think patriotism is supporting police brutality against minorities, cause guess what! They are not patriots. They are the opposite of patriots, they are just enablers of abuse. True patriots want their country to be the best it can be, and that means pointing out its flaws so to fix them. With or without Nike, Kaepernick is a real patriot because he is standing up for something good. That is what this country was supposedly founded on. There is nothing more un-American than accepting an abusive and distant government regime that just oppresses you.

There is one problem Saelune, the problem is no matter what Kaepernick does. His message is associated with NIKE, a black man supporting a corporation that enslaves hundreds if not a millions of children.So let's talk about enablers and abuse because it's also on the opposite foot, with Kaepernick's ad it is enabling NIKE to sell more shirts and shoes made by child slavery.As idiot's will buy NIKE products to be in solidarity with what Kaepernick stands for, they will unwittingly be supporting another injustice child slavery. Kaepernick was payed by NIKE not because of his politics, but because he is controversial and in the right way that NIKE easily exploited. Kaepernick can stand for whatever he believes in, but he is not at the same level as King or Malcolm X as neither. He jumped on an ad to get payed millions of dollars and through cleaver NIKE marketing they were able to pull at people's emotions to buy NIKE. It worked so well that people are taking notice of NIKE's "stance" to "support Kaepernick" without realizing they were being manipulated to buy crap. Kaepernick might be considered a patriot by some but right now his image and stance are used to sell shirts,shirt and pants.

This assumes that the people who opposed kneeling for the flag/support racist police give a fuck about child slavery and sweat shop workers.

They don't.

Saelune:

RobertEHouse:
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This assumes that the people who opposed kneeling for the flag/support racist police give a fuck about child slavery and sweat shop workers.

They don't.

Pretty much this. Otherwise they wouldn't had Nike shoes at hand to set on fire.

The title of this may be bad as I don?t agree with the conclusion that corporations are neither good or bad as the author states and the publication has major problems, but the Atlantic actually put up a decent thing on the ad campaign: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/09/nike-kaepernick/569371/

Second to last paragraph being the most important. If Nike actually cared, they?d drop sponsoring the entirety of the NFL who got Kap out of the game and who are trying to punish anyone doing the same.

Also House?s post assumes nothing. It is 100% fact that Kap got a multimillion dollar deal with a business who has a well deserved terrible image problem who hasn?t done enough to remedy it. The fact that conservatives don?t give a shit about Asian sweatshop working children over their white feelings means nothing. Yes, when they burn their shit they probably aren?t thinking about those 12 year old workers when they do it, but so are the fucking people heading into stores going to buy Kap stuff thinking they are making a change.

This can deserve dunking on:

But this also deserves it:

This was all started by a whinny little bitch name Colin Kapernick would started this by by throwing a tantrum and stayed seated on the bench for the National Anthem because he was benched because he sucked and it was looking like his career in the NFL was over. So he did this to put teams into a position of looking bad for not signing on a failing qb that the backup took over for. He is not a hero, he didn't sacrifice anything. He was an opportunist that simply wanted to make others look bad and make himself look good.

kiri3tsubasa:
This was all started by a whinny little bitch name Colin Kapernick would started this by by throwing a tantrum and stayed seated on the bench for the National Anthem because he was benched because he sucked and it was looking like his career in the NFL was over. So he did this to put teams into a position of looking bad for not signing on a failing qb that the backup took over for. He is not a hero, he didn't sacrifice anything. He was an opportunist that simply wanted to make others look bad and make himself look good.

It was about opposing racist cops abusing their power. Speaking of, I am about to make a new topic about exactly that.

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