Zero Punctuation: Serious Sam 3: BFE

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chronobreak:
Meh, was really hoping for Dark Souls. Maybe next week.

Why? He would hate it you know. He hated the first one.

I get the feeling that Yahtzee really likes Painkiller.

In any case, I'm happy to see Shooter Season 2011(12) over. Maybe now we can move on and... hum...

Fuck, Christmas is over so I guess there won't be any decent releases for the next months :/

"his mighty ball sack"
holy shit I loled

I was actually wondering what "BFE" meant, actually. I was thinking something like "Big Fucking Explosions", although "Biscuit Fortification Experiment" sounds cooler! XD

Well, he didn't really like it, but he didn't hate it, so that's something in its favor. It's like he said, if it had tried to reinvent anything, it would have been better. And I kind of get the impression that Yahtzee would have had a higher opinion of the game if the first part hadn't been a gray-ish corridor shooter.

I hope the next game he reviews is "The Binding of Issac". I think it's a difficult (but never punishingly) little game, but, just for fun, I would like to see what Yahtzee would think of it.

As much as I like Serious Sam, I think I'll stick with TFE and TSE HD since very little seems to have been added to the SS formula aside from more reloading and a sprint fuction. Booooooo.

It's a shame because I was actually quite excited when BFE was announced.

The Virgo:
I hope the next game he reviews is "The Binding of Issac". I think it's a difficult (but never punishingly) little game, but, just for fun, I would like to see what Yahtzee would think of it.

He did a little while ago at the end of extra puntuaction.

agoran:
I was really looking forward for Yahtzee to do a Zero Punctuation on our game. I was also terrified it will make me cry.

I didn't cry, so I guess that went rather well :)

Wait, what? Did you say what I just heard you say....

Is top 5/bottom 5 next week then? I need to validate my purchase of Driver: SF. Which was based off his review.

Plinglebob:
Great review for a great game. So glad to hear the gray guys get phased out a bit because when I was playing it I couldn't help think they were out of place a bit. I've just had to assume that the crappy "running through buildings with people like enemies" section is supposed to be some sort of reference to modern shooters, but its more frustrating then anything and almost made me give up at one point. Then I got to the open section with unlimited rockets and a massive spacecraft beaming down waves of enemies and I gleefully remembered why I liked the 1st game.

And therein lies the potential problem. I can understand references to other games of the same genre, but when it entails putting an exaggerated version of them into your own game to emphasize how different they are...it becomes an issue. Especially since it's the exact opposite of the sort of game that people buying 'Serious Sam' would want.

DoomBlackDragon:
While Yahtzee may have found this game to be between ok to good. I know it is so much better then Jurassic Park : The Hard raid want a be..... I mean Jurassic Park : The game.

Not sure why you're comparing the two. They're hardly competing titles. And even then, 'Hard Rain' wasn't the first game to use quasi-QTEs as a means to carry a story-based game. 'Indigo Prophecy' comes to mind.

Then again, while 'Heavy Rain' started slow and got great, 'Indigo Prophecy' started amazingly and then spent the second half of the game shitting the bed.

DoomBlackDragon:
While I really do not mind it just being a remake of Serious Sam 1 with a new engine and graphics.

And that's fine...if it's marketed as that. This wasn't marketed as an HD rerelease, and frankly, Yahtzee had a point when he said that the stuff they clearly added since the original were mediocre at their highest points. I'd love an HD version of Serious Sam 1, but I don't want to buy it at full price because it shouldn't need to be full price.

DoomBlackDragon:
I still like the old fashine kill spree games. So sick of all the Battlefield style of games. I so want them to go back to Doom Style.

Here's the thing: 'First Person Shooter' is not a single genre. 'Battlefield' and 'Serious Sam' are both FPSs, true, but they're as far apart within that category as 'Superman' is from 'Irredeemable.' The fans of both might have overlap, and they probably do, but if someone just says that they got into superhero comics and liked one of them, you shouldn't assume that the other is also their cup of tea.

DoomBlackDragon:
While war games here and there a nice. I think they are best published few here and there.

It is no fun sitting around letting me arm regrow while I suck on my thumb. I just want to run around shooting things with a BIG FUCK GUN. If I need help. Run as super sonic speeds to the nearest health pack.

Really?

Alright. You've made it clear that you don't like the style of what one might call 'mainstream' first person shooters. And I think that they are by no means a replacement for the Painkiller-style shooters, but I also think the same thing vise versa. You're essentially saying, "I don't like X, and I don't play X, either. I prefer Y. Therefore, I want there to be fewer Xs made." With that line of logic, you're not trying to bring back older-FPS models: you're just trying to dickishly take away the ones that you don't like but millions of others do like. You're demanding the destruction of all your town's vegetable gardens because a steakhouse you liked got closed.

DoomBlackDragon:
I blame Multiplayer for killing the FPS gaming.

And what you described above? "Run[ning] around shooting things with a BIG FUCK GUN. If I need help. Run as super sonic speeds to the nearest health pack"? Aside from the fact that I hope to God you're an ESL speaker, if you want one-man-army-versus-unending-hordes gameplay, don't blame multiplayer, because multiplayer goes with that like sodium and water.

If you want more of those games, then get the Duke Nukem team to stop dicking around and make a Duke Nukem game.

Char-Nobyl:

DoomBlackDragon:
I blame Multiplayer for killing the FPS gaming.

And what you described above? "Run[ning] around shooting things with a BIG FUCK GUN. If I need help. Run as super sonic speeds to the nearest health pack"? Aside from the fact that I hope to God you're an ESL speaker, if you want one-man-army-versus-unending-hordes gameplay, don't blame multiplayer, because multiplayer goes with that like sodium and water.

If you want more of those games, then get the Duke Nukem team to stop dicking around and make a Duke Nukem game.

I have to disagree with you here as Quake and Doom both had great multiplayer along with a great single player of "one-man-army-versus-unending-hordes gameplay" I think (personal viewpoint not back up by any facts at all) the problem came about with the popularity of a modern setting (meaning bigger, more fancifal guns went by the wayside) combined with a "2 weapons only" system limiting your options at any one point and cemented with the percieved need for balance in weapons so no one stratagy is overpowered.

Well, as long as it's fun. I own all of the rest of the games, even Serious Sam 2, because I didn't bother to research it. Now, I do. I will buy this.

Plinglebob:

Char-Nobyl:

DoomBlackDragon:
I blame Multiplayer for killing the FPS gaming.

And what you described above? "Run[ning] around shooting things with a BIG FUCK GUN. If I need help. Run as super sonic speeds to the nearest health pack"? Aside from the fact that I hope to God you're an ESL speaker, if you want one-man-army-versus-unending-hordes gameplay, don't blame multiplayer, because multiplayer goes with that like sodium and water.

If you want more of those games, then get the Duke Nukem team to stop dicking around and make a Duke Nukem game.

I have to disagree with you here as Quake and Doom both had great multiplayer along with a great single player of "one-man-army-versus-unending-hordes gameplay" I think (personal viewpoint not back up by any facts at all) the problem came about with the popularity of a modern setting (meaning bigger, more fancifal guns went by the wayside) combined with a "2 weapons only" system limiting your options at any one point and cemented with the percieved need for balance in weapons so no one stratagy is overpowered.

Let's not forget Unreal Tournament, which was designed solely for multiplayer and has been by far the most enjoyed FPS played in my house ever...

I would much rather prefer the 1 weapon only system with each weapon actually having a different use. Ah...the good old days of the shock rifle...

well i'd try it but not sure about new shooters even if there trying to be a throw back to the "good old days"

It's Serious Sam after that first part. Which in my book means "good". For those of you wondering about price it's $39 USD. Not $59 like some recent games. Steam had it on sale for $19.99 USD.

I love both Serious Sam and Painkiller, but I really don't get how Painkiller innovated the genre of running and shooting hordes of enemies. My PK experience has always been run dodging stuff while blasting their faces away (same thing I did when playing Serious Sam).

In fact, I'm not sure the genre needs any innovations... and if it does, I think Hard Reset was more innovative than Painkiller.

Good idea for a FPS formula: Blood + Painkiller + Resistance 3?

I think I'd enjoy that.

Serious Sam 3, taking gaming back to its roots. Now who doesn't want that?

I've been meaning to give serious sam a try. Which game should I get? 1 2 or 3?

badmunky64:
I've been meaning to give serious sam a try. Which game should I get? 1 2 or 3?

1. Which is 2 games, the first encounter and the second encounter.

Get the HD versions too.

The brief Half-Life Opposing Force reference made me happier than it really should have. Now I want to go back and play that game.

Ah balls, now I'm gonna have to go back to that game. I'm a huge fan of the First and Second Encounters, so I was really hyped for this one. But the opening is just as bad as Yahtzee says and worse. I couldn't get out of the city before I lost interest. I wrote it off as a misguided attempt to paint over a modern game with Serious Sam themed paint. But apparently all the cool stuff is hidden in the middle of the game. Time to go reinstall, I guess.

While I'm hoping that this will be worth it, I still believe that The Second Encounter is the best game in the series. That one opened with a ludicrously entertaining series of physics bending rooms and arena fights. If you buy this one, be warned: the beginning is one of the most soulless stretches of gaming I've ever had.

still might pick it up.
need a change of pace n something close to new before Max Payne 3

see you next week Escapists

I really liked Serious Sam 3 BFE. Although it didn't have the same oomph as Serious Sam the first and second encounter I did think it was better then painkiller which while is good I feel was a little overrated by Yahtzee. While the weapons were awesome I felt that the enemies were pretty forgetful.

I didn't even know this game had come out, but I do know one thing:

I read the title as: Serious Sam 3: Best Friends Ever.

Big. Fucking. Explosions.

I refuse to believe it stands for anything else.

I dont think Serious Sam is the kind of game you can "lazily plow through" seeing as half the time you're frantically running away from headless suicide bombers.

serious sam 2 is still the best SS for me, but SS3 is still damn good. all i missed from the game is the humor i love so much from part 2.
never the less, its still a damn fun game. a typical old school shooter. just a little mix of modern games in it.

I do you've lost the point of why you do this job, Yahtzee. You're allowed to recommend things! You only have a bile-spewing everything sucks facade under which you are a smart critic trying to find joy through the muck. Your current long-running trend of "I like this game but I can't be bothered saying outright that I do" or just saying "this game was alright but hold on while I list everything negative without bothering to build any sort of counter-argument whatsoever" just loses grasp of everything that made you great in the first place.

You always seem to skirt around the issue of whether you personally liked it. You never used to; you always used to understand how subjective opinions worked and so exercised your right to one as brashly as possible. But everything you say now is so safe, semi-recommendations at most, and it's slightly irksome because it means some truly great games get somewhat shafted when you come to the conclusion predictable of "it's alright".

I agree with you, perhaps it is time to swallow your pride and stick solely to reviewing indie games. Perhaps through a different series altogether, something more somber, a chance for you to really use those critical thinking chops you have without having to drag in through the muck of the cheap laugh and the "I am a angry review man grrr" facade. It's just a thought, but I think it'd really fulfill the initial goal of this Zero Punctuation series more than it has been doing now. Worth considering, I hope.

Alphakirby:

agoran:
I was really looking forward for Yahtzee to do a Zero Punctuation on our game. I was also terrified it will make me cry.

I didn't cry, so I guess that went rather well :)

Wait, what? Did you say what I just heard you say....

It is said that when yahtzee reviews developers are watching...

Ah, so BFE does NOT stand for: Best Friends Ever! Roger that! :-D

Still, it's nice to see that the old school shooter's haven't gone completely extinct. Lately, the FPS genre has become somewhat stale, so we definetly need games like SS3 to shake things up a bit.

I used to love Serious Sam games... till I took an arrow... never mind... back to Skyrim...

sneeky033:
Ah balls, now I'm gonna have to go back to that game. I'm a huge fan of the First and Second Encounters, so I was really hyped for this one. But the opening is just as bad as Yahtzee says and worse. I couldn't get out of the city before I lost interest. I wrote it off as a misguided attempt to paint over a modern game with Serious Sam themed paint. But apparently all the cool stuff is hidden in the middle of the game. Time to go reinstall, I guess.

While I'm hoping that this will be worth it, I still believe that The Second Encounter is the best game in the series. That one opened with a ludicrously entertaining series of physics bending rooms and arena fights. If you buy this one, be warned: the beginning is one of the most soulless stretches of gaming I've ever had.

I guess I was one of the few people who enjoyed the opening because I can appreciate good pacing. It also makes sense in regards to the story. At first Sam's just clearing out the hang-arounds of the invasion force, who are sticking around to fuck some shit up for fun. Eventually a warship takes notice of this and decides to pop in there to take care of Sam. After it gets its ass-kicked, Mental realizes there may be more to this guy than there is at first glance, and starts sending down troops specifically to kill Sam,which is when theg ame picks up. Why not just moon the planet right off and be done with it? Because Mental is mental.

As for the whole experience, I adore the game. Especially the multiplayer, where the winner is based purely on map knowledge and skill.

The review was what I expected.But I am just glad that another person reviewed this game because so few of the usual places I go act don't act like it exists.

And I hope it sells well enough on PC that we can get a console release because everything that I have seen says to me that this game is awesome.

chronobreak:
Meh, was really hoping for Dark Souls. Maybe next week.

I don't think he's going to do that. With his weekly time constraints and his, you know, Parkinson's disease and stuff, he'd probably kill the tutorial boss after 20 tries, reach Firelink and pick the Catacombs path. That whole experience might provide enough funny material for a review, but he already did that whole "holy shit this game is hard, so fuck it" thing with Demon's Souls, so I don't think he has anything to add to that unless he actually puts in the effort that the game requires from the player and doesn't play it like "generic pop-corn action game #423870".

[quote="Char-Nobyl"

And that's fine...if it's marketed as that. This wasn't marketed as an HD rerelease, and frankly, Yahtzee had a point when he said that the stuff they clearly added since the original were mediocre at their highest points. I'd love an HD version of Serious Sam 1, but I don't want to buy it at full price because it shouldn't need to be full price.

[/quote]

Actually they did make an HD remake of Serious Sam 1.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/41000/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

You can also get it off of X-Box Live and PSN too. It's only 15 bucks.

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