Zero Punctuation: BioShock: Infinite

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Parakeettheprawn:

Friederich:
Dear Yahtzee, what does Bioshock Infinite have to do with Infinite Jest ? Which I'm currently halfway through, so don't spoil it for me.
Or is it just for the infinite?

"Alas poor Horatio, a fellow of INFINITE jest."

It's a twist on the above line from Hamlet (if memory serves me right).

Ah, I though it had to do with Infinite Jest by late David Foster Wallace.

It won't suprise me if Yatzee put this game in his favoruite of 2013. Now I am wondering if there are any other future game that can top Bioshock Infinite (in Yatzee eyes).

People say 'this is one of the best games ever made'

Ken Levine is still thinking about System Shock 3. Just saying. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that EA holds the rights to the System Shock name. So after the success of Bioshock and BS:Infinite they have to be pants over head retarded not to strike a deal with 2K games. Or if they don't, I am sure they will find a way to by-pass the legal and create something that reflects or might be an ode to the System Shock franchise.

Strange that he didn't mention anything about the two weapon limit, it's usually one of his bugbears and a it's fault that really starts to glare as you draw closer to the end.

Oh well, at least he mentioned the unexplained weirdness of the Vigors existing.

Still, he's right about the story being great and the ending a real mind=blown moment. It is a very good game by any standards, although not as great most reviewers say.

I think he addressed my issues with Comstock fairly well. Ryan was fun and interesting to listen to, while every recording of Comstock's just emphasized how fanatical about himself he was. And Fink had nothing on Cohen.

I still have mixed feelings about the ending though. Maybe it's because I usually associate the first Bioshock's twist with its climax, but I prefer how neatly it all wrapped up (painful escort quest leading up to a hit-and-miss boss fight with the morally stark evil epilogue aside).

Proverbial Jon:
Bioshock Infinite is my favourite game of this generation. Hands down, no competition. And considering how little time is left of this generation, apparently, it's going to take a real whopper of a game to snatch that title from Infinite.

Super Mario Galaxy is the best game of this generation according to gamerankings. Sorry bud. Might lack in story and in characters but actually has fun gameplay.

uchytjes:

OT: the 4 gay guys had significance? I just thought they were there to sound nice and look pretty.

The significance was they were singing "God only knows" by the Beach boys in 1966. It is a hint that they are abusing the tears to advance themselves by taking things from the future and other worlds.

OT: Nice review. Surprised he didn't mention certain things but the "Get out" part was more than worth it.

Surprised Yahtzee didn't make more mention of Elizabeth in his review; perhaps he's saving her (and her role as a likable companion AI) for a column. Definitely agree with the Vigour's criticism and some of the other gameplay nit-picks as well as his observation that Comstock is less interesting than Andrew Ryan (but then Comstock is not only one side to the same coin, his ideology is simply less interesting). However Yahtzee provides very little justification for his whole 'stuck up your own butt' or 'hairy space hopper levels of pretension' (great phrases nonetheless) criticisms. I'd like to hear why he thought it was pretentious as opposed to him simply stating the fact; you might call the concepts and issues the game is juggling heady and 'serious', but it utilises and presents them in an extremely understandable and accessible way (at least after some reflection and thought; it wouldn't be very engaging if these elements could be grasped instantaneously).

I suppose Yahtzee did identify one possible point of pretentiousness, 'abstract meta-narrative', but it's not like the games story doesn't work without it, it's simply another layer of complexity and depth and oh no, I sound pretentious don't I? Well damnit I guess that sort of meta-commentary, when done in the more subtle way as it is in Infinite, is simply fascinating to me and I guess I'll just live with the 'pretentious' label used by those who don't really give a crap about it, and that's fine.

shrekfan246:

scorptatious:

As for the final level. I actually liked it.

It becomes significantly less awesome on 1999 Mode

Hectic and tense as all hell, to be sure, but not in the same fun way the rest of the game was on that difficulty.

Yeah, I'd imagine it probably would be incredibly frustrating on 1999 mode.

Anoni Mus:

Proverbial Jon:
Bioshock Infinite is my favourite game of this generation. Hands down, no competition. And considering how little time is left of this generation, apparently, it's going to take a real whopper of a game to snatch that title from Infinite.

Super Mario Galaxy is the best game of this generation according to gamerankings. Sorry bud. Might lack in story and in characters but actually has fun gameplay.

There's a difference between "favorite" and "best". Infinite might not be your favorite game of this gen or gamerankings, but it is to that guy.

Plus it's kind of hard to compare Bioshock Infinite to Super Mario Galaxy. They're two completely different games. :/

..Must not buy more games need food... must not, O f*ck you Ken Levine shut up and take my money, I'll eat again after whatever time it takes me to round Bioshock Infinite at least twice...

I'm guessing Yahtzee missed a voxophone or two, cause his comment on Vigors is explained.

My experience with Infinite was basically this.

No idea how Yahtzee thought Bioshock Infinite's ending was tied up tho

Did I just watch porn?

Well I suppose the reason vigors don't mess up Columbia as much even though they're

is because they didn't use Adam and people aren't really splicing up so much as they're only sticking to the very few and minimalistic vigors which can only be upgraded twice mind you.

Steve the Pocket:
It's been three years, and Yahtzee still has yet to adequately explain why he hated BioShock 2 so much. His actual review came down to a load of silly nitpicks of the sort he would normally reserve for games he likes and has to fill time complaining about anyway, and he hasn't said anything beyond "Grr sequels" since.

Because historically, Yahtzee has a soft spot for games that aim to be something different and fail in the attempt (Dark Void, Mirror's Edge), but contempt for sequels that are safe, naked cash grabs that do little to distinguish themselves from the original, or worse, fail to understand the appeal of the original.

So BioShock Infinite, a mostly good game that really tries to do things differently, gets high marks from him, despite its many problems.

1337mokro:

Perhaps the best review of the game I've seen.

I don't think I could argue with one thing he said... except maybe that the singing section was touching. I thought it was one of those awkward butt-crawling moments.

TopazFusion:
I think I also missed the significance of the 4 gay blokes.

Well, time for a replay...

You barely even mentioned Elizabeth! She was the heart and soul of the game! I've even seen it argued that the Booker isn't even the main character of the game, just the player character. Not to mention how much she helps out in combat.

Oh come now, Bioshock 2 wasn't THAT bad. True it's story wasn't as good but overall I felt it was better gameplay wise, even the tacked on multiplayer was passable.

okay, I bought the game yonks ago (preordered actually) but not having access to a proper computer, I have to wait at least another month before I can play it. and since I've beew looking forward to the game ever since it was announced, here's a question:

are there any spoilers in the video or should I just return to it and watch it next month? I would browse through the comments and see if someone mentioned something about the spoilers but that would in turn spoil the video :D

could someone please just quote this post and tell me if there are any spoilers in the review?

Anoni Mus:

Proverbial Jon:
Bioshock Infinite is my favourite game of this generation. Hands down, no competition. And considering how little time is left of this generation, apparently, it's going to take a real whopper of a game to snatch that title from Infinite.

Super Mario Galaxy is the best game of this generation according to gamerankings. Sorry bud. Might lack in story and in characters but actually has fun gameplay.

Seriously? He cant say BS:I is HIS favorite game of the generation because the ratings to another game are higher?
Are you kidding me?
Get ready to hit your head against a wall, cause it also is mine!

Actually, that sounds like an awesome ending, being forced to dig your own shallow grave at gunpoint.

Oh Yeah: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly.

(Yeah, spoiler. Your fault for not having seen it.)

238U

MiskWisk:

The significance was they were singing "God only knows" by the Beach boys in 1966. It is a hint that they are abusing the tears to advance themselves by taking things from the future and other worlds.

OT: Nice review. Surprised he didn't mention certain things but the "Get out" part was more than worth it.

That makes so much sense now. I guess it is because I don't know the song. The only time I really noticed the whole "abuse" of the tears was when that lady was singing "Fortunate Son" in the slums.

Glad he liked the game and the review was okay but I've not really had much interest for this game but loved Bioshock 2 regardless of all the hate it gets.

I'd probably say the game of the year for me this year will be between Dead Island Riptide, GTA V, Rayman legends and Asassins Creed Black flag.

I'm not surprised that Yahtzee enjoyed it. It's fun and enjoyable game that I really had a strong desire to play. I gotta say, it's been a while since a game has made me feel that way. Is it perfect? No. But who fucking cares? The important question is whether or not you enjoyed it.

There is but one criticism I would level at the game:

I was, at best, confused by this, but was in no way annoyed. It didn't break the entire game down like it did for some people.

Anoni Mus:

Proverbial Jon:
Bioshock Infinite is my favourite game of this generation. Hands down, no competition. And considering how little time is left of this generation, apparently, it's going to take a real whopper of a game to snatch that title from Infinite.

Super Mario Galaxy is the best game of this generation according to gamerankings. Sorry bud. Might lack in story and in characters but actually has fun gameplay.

You might notice that I said favourite and not best game. That makes it my opinion rather than solid fact and avoids arguments! I'm fully aware that there are games that do certain things far better than Infinite but none have captivated my sense of wonder so completely.

Besides, I'm more of a story and setting person when it comes to games. Most of my favourite games actually have terrible gameplay!

HalloHerrNoob:
Seriously? He cant say BS:I is HIS favorite game of the generation because the ratings to another game are higher?
Are you kidding me?
Get ready to hit your head against a wall, cause it also is mine!

You're my hero, simply for sharing my superior opinion!

1rock:
I actually wanted to Google the new Bioshock Infinite and get more info on the game like "can it be played offline" Now normally this would be a stupid question to ask. But not lately... Our internet takes 5 minutes just to bring up Google. Now imagine downloading updates and whatever else...

Why oh why do games need to be online ALL THE TIME? Also ever wondered what will happen when those servers go the way of the dodo???

It's a single player offline game.

Go nuts.

for the most part i agreed with everything Yahtzee was saying which is rare for me

I'm ashamed to say that the kkk mickey mouse gave me a laugh

That actually sounds kinda interesting, kinda wish I had the money for it now.

So glad he liked the combat. From a pure gameplay perspective I thought it was honest to god the most fun FPS Ive played in ages. I can not understand why so many people consider it bland or boring.

I'm surprised he didn't mentioned how the game doesn't try to go for an obvious Big Daddy surrogate. Because while the game does have Big Daddy-ish opponents, they don't have the same air of iconic appeal.

RTR:
I'm surprised he didn't mentioned how the game doesn't try to go for an obvious Big Daddy surrogate. Because while the game does have Big Daddy-ish opponents, they don't have the same air of iconic appeal.

I'd imagine Songbird is supposed to be the game's "Big Daddy" considering his role and his origins. Plus mechanically, they look similar.

Knew he would like this... and why wouldn't he, it was an awesome game... mostly thanks to the story though, but never the less!

Marik Bentusi:
My experience with Infinite was basically this.

No idea how Yahtzee thought Bioshock Infinite's ending was tied up tho

think of it this way:

now if you've been excusing me, I'll need to have been sitting down to get my sense of time back in order

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