Rumor: Hackers Crack PS3 Copy Protection

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Calhoun347:

John Funk:
PS3's unique hardware and software made it essentially immune to piracy

No it didn't. It's a matter of the popularity really.

The PS3 is the least popular of the consoles, therefore there is less people interested in doing it, and less people to market it to.

It's like Viruses and Mac's. Mac's are no more immune than any other system, they just account for so low a market-share, there is no reason to make the effort to make them.

Jarrid:

JediMB:

John Funk:
Even worse, this method of piracy doesn't seem to require any hardware modifications (like needing to "modchip" your Xbox 360 or Wii) - just software and the USB dongle.

To be fair, all you need for the Wii is an SD card.

Why would you want to hack a Wii?

I did it to be able to play scummVM-compatible point-and-click adventure games on my Wii.

I think one of the reasons the PS3 got hacked last was actually the ability to run linux from the start. Most of the Wii mods are based on the homebrew channel which was developed to run linux on the Wii ( the Chaos Computer Club made some interesting videos about the developement of the homebrew channel)With the PS3 the hackers couldn't use the work from the linux community to develope there own mods.
Regarding viruses for Macs: it's simply more difficult to program them. Under the old Windows systems (XP and below) the normal user would have administrato rights by default, whereas on a Mac the user is not able to get root access. It's the design of the operating system which makes it more challenging to run viruses

Sony will probably shut this down ASAP. They aren't about to lose that edge with game devs just when the tide is turning.

whattheblub:

I think one of the reasons the PS3 got hacked last was actually the ability to run linux from the start. Most of the Wii mods are based on the homebrew channel which was developed to run linux on the Wii ( the Chaos Computer Club made some interesting videos about the developement of the homebrew channel)With the PS3 the hackers couldn't use the work from the linux community to develope there own mods.

That is also true, but there is still the popularity factor.

whattheblub:

Regarding viruses for Macs: it's simply more difficult to program them. Under the old Windows systems (XP and below) the normal user would have administrato rights by default, whereas on a Mac the user is not able to get root access. It's the design of the operating system which makes it more challenging to run viruses

Also true, but if the market share ratio were flipped, you'd see tons of viruses for Mac's and almost nothing for windows. It's not worth it to make something DESIGNED to infect as many people as possible, in a place where it Can't do that.

graverobber2:

MelasZepheos:
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While I agree that the pirates are the ones who started the whole thing, I don't think you can deny that DRM's have somewhat become a reason (or at least: a very, very, very good excuse) to pirate games. Some DRM's can be extremely irritating (Ubisoft requires constant internet connection, Securom requires a CD/DVD,... ). First thing I do when I buy a game is search for a crack to get rid of the DRM (with steam as one of the only exceptions).

If game developers/publishers would stop spending so much money on DRM's and instead use whatever money they saved to offer the game at a lower price, there would probably be a lot less piracy.

Lower prices would also solve their problem with used games ==> lower prices mean that you can gain less profit from selling them, making it less interesting to sell them.

somewhat more on topic: PS3 still has the advantage that the hardware you need is quite expensive (unless they find some way to run games from external HD's)

That isn't really an argument with any backing to it. You can blame the publishers for not making succesful methods of keeping piracy down, but in the end all of the blame must fall on the pirates, because if they weren't there the DRM wouldn't be there. DRMs are not a good reason to pirate games, they are simply a justification for the pirates to say 'yeah we might be breaking the law, but look at how nasty these big corporations are.' It's pitiful.

And also, in regards to cheaper games, you are referring to a group who pirated a game for which they only needed to pay a dollar, or whatever it was for that Indie bundle. While they may be ruining it for the honest gamers who I'm sure are in the minority, anyone who would pirate a game that cheap (and in many cases they actually cost the developers money by using their own servers remember), doesn't have a leg to stand on in my opinion.

Piracy on the PS3...I can see how some people would think that it wouldn't be popular due to blu-rays being a whole 50+ gigabytes, but not many PS3 games actually take advantage of a blu-ray's impressive storage size. A USB loader would most certainly be made by some guy allowing people to by a couple TB hard drives and put their games on that.

And as for USB disabling, Sony can't do that, as they advertised that feature as a part of the PS3.

If Sony were to release new PS3s that only allow certain licensed USB things to work, that would be totally legal.

As for updates that disable the mod or releasing new games that install a new update, They've tried that before with the PSP (Nintendo's done the same for the Wii) and it hasn't stopped pirates. They create bypasses, hack the official updates, disable any updates on games and play away.

If there's one rule that I have figured out about the internet, it is this. Pirates always win. You can slow them down but you cannot stop them.

And this is why I don't care about piracy when I release my stuff on the internet. Pirates don't buy my stuff, I don't get money from them, so why should I care about them? I only care about the people who pay for my stuff, so I make something that those people would like.

Arkley:
Even if it does work, and even if applying the device and its software to the PS3 is fast and easy, it still won't create a massive amount of piracy on the console, and certainly not the level of piracy the Wii and 360 have struggled with. The reason for this is simple:

To mod a Wii, all you need is an SD card and the ability to follow simple instructions. Everyone has an SD card, even your grandmother. The games (a mere 4ish gb in size) are then burned on simple, run of the mill DVDs with any old burner & burning program.

To mod a 360, all you need is the ability to follow simple instructions, although it does involve popping off the case of both the 360 and your computer. The games (a very managable 7.5ish gb in size) are burned easily on cheap dual-layered DVDs, and just about all modern DVD drives can burn to them.

Now, to mod a PS3, you'll need an imported piece of hardware, which will obviously cost you money. You'll need a blu ray burner, which are still uncommon and pretty expensive (200+ USD). You'll need to download or rip the games, which can be huge - between 20 & 50 gb. Blue ray discs themselves aren't cheap, especially not the dual layered ones.

All in all, with the amount of money it will cost you to be able to start burning and playing pirated PS3 games, you could quite easily buy a sizeable collection of real PS3 games, and not risk being banned from PSN/sued by anyone. You could probably make the trip to your local store a whole bunch of times in the ungoddly amount of time it would take to download & burn a 50gb game.

Quoted for considerable levels of truth. Pirate gamers are in this for no-cost gaming; the time and money costs of this venture make it far less desirable. Unless you've got a godly internet connection, the mere act of downloading the data, let alone porting it over to the console via disc or external memory unit, makes it impractical. Of course, this all assumes this is legit and not just another hoax. Either way, Sony has relatively little to fear, least until internet connections become more amazing or blu-ray burners & blanks become a lot cheaper.

HAHAHA, where are your ninjas now?

If it can play ROMS and Homebrews im not complaining, everything gotta be hacked eventually.
Finally Ps2 Roms on the Ps3 Slim, man that pissed me off

Forgive my naivete but.. if there's a software element, doesn't that make the 'jailbreaker' vulnerable to an OS update screwing it up?

Let's just hope that Sony releases an update quickly to prevent the software from working to lol @ all of the people trying to break the system.

Joe Kilner:
If it is just a USB device, what's the bet it can be nullified with a firmware upgrade...

On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Because that would make sense and would cost them money *rolls eyes* because obviously they couldn't make games any cheaper for one console otherwise that console would be more dominant in the market and would make them more money, but no, instead they choose to keep an arms race between the consoles and make massive profits from all rather than one...in short, Developers are evil souless money grubbing asshats.

Epic, the PS3 has been hacked for the second time. I wonder how sony is going to react against this? More DRM! >.>

I'm just so sick to death of of people wreaking the future of my favorite hobby. There's just no reason to hack the ps3 firmware, if you want to homebrew or install custom software, buy a pc and install Linux. Don't open a platform up to pirate leeches!!! Wa*kers!

Marter:
I guess I'll just sit back and wait for the update which disables the USB ports on my PS3.

*sigh*

That was the first thing that popped in to my head. It seems silly anyway. Some PS3 games would be upwards of 50gb... who's going to bother downloading a game that big and figuring out storage media to keep it on?

Adzma:

Marter:
I guess I'll just sit back and wait for the update which disables the USB ports on my PS3.

*sigh*

That was the first thing that popped in to my head. It seems silly anyway. Some PS3 games would be upwards of 50gb... who's going to bother downloading a game that big and figuring out storage media to keep it on?

i haven't seen a game that is able to take a full blu-ray disk yet...

You know guys this isn't actually a hack it's a leak.

The usb-dongle is the exact same ones they use when developing a game it puts it back into 'factory' mode. AKA this is a leak from within Sony.

This isn't smart this was just plain old thievery! This would be like someone actually taking a Dev-PS3 and selling it and going "Oh hey yeah totally cracked the code" No you didn't you fucking stole that.

I've always sat in the middle of the Piracy debate. On the one hand I understand wallets are just not robust enough to buy EVERYTHING and some people don't want to buy the game only to learn "Sorry it's total shit".

Now Downloading a game and saying "Well I wasn't going to buy it anyway" is just fucking annoying. If you weren't going to buy it then don't download it just like I'm never going to go watch a Twilight movie so I'm not teaching my idiot sister to burn a DVD or lending one of my rewritable DVDs for it (for the record I make BACKUPs I don't pirate)

This is especially wall banging because this is not FILM, with film and music there are a billion ways besides DVD/CD sales to make money, most films make it back in the cinema itself and that's the basis of making a sequel or not. Music gets to go on the radio and Music channels and live shows, actually touring and selling your CDs and merchandise at the gig is your main source of income.

But Video Games? Video Games only have that they are sold to an owner to be used, they may have merchandise but thats stuff like Nintendo. You are stealing the food out of there mouths especially in this day and age. THAT BEING SAID my personal opinion is if a game is not being sold in stores or even in your language OR if the game is for an old console then it starts becoming fair game if still a bit dickish.

Funny how the ps3 has been the only Hack-proof console so far and it's still the least sold plattform in this generation... wonder if there's a connection...

I bet Sony has had a firmware update ready and waiting for just such an eventuality; it'll download and while you won't see any changes to the system, half the software architecture would be subtly changed and re-encoded: rendering the devices useless...and inadvertently erasing important files, accidentally disabling anything that might conceivably lead to piracy like usb ports, the disc drive, or the video out, and potentially growing a pair of robotic arms: one with a death ray and the other with a credit card reader.

Just to give an update: The usb-dongle creates a backup option in the PS3 menu and allows the user to copy games onto the PS3 harddrive or an external harddrive (unless the game has files which are bigger than 4gb) The manufacturer states that it works with the recent firmware but might not work with updates. I really can't see this mod lasting very long. There are just too many ways in which sony can intervene. For those of you who speak german, here is the link where I got the information from http://www.golem.de/1008/77346.html

Joe Kilner:
On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Because the that entire idea is a blatant lie to cover up money/powergrabbing?
"Your game is so expensive because PIRATES"
"Your taxes are so high because IMMIGRANTS"
"Your have no privacy because TERRORISTS"
"You are drafted into the army to be shipped to vietnam because COMMUNITSTS"

On topic: I hope homebrew artists find a way to work around the tiny RAM and make something good.

Dioxide20:

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Dioxide20:
Trying to crack proof your console just delays the inevitable. It will always happen.

Isn't that the point by now? You can't stop piracy, so just make sure that you can hinder their progress long enough for you to get past the critical points of your sales (either based on time or units sold) so that you can make a return on your investments.

Sure but as I said, there really should be better benefits for buying a game. Really, the old thing of free updates, where the updates weren't just slight balancing or fixing of glitches. I mean like TF2 style updates, or even new maps/game types.

As it is right now, except for a select few games, whats the point of buying a game, when you just end up having to buy more to keep the game from getting stale?

Ah yes, DLC. The boon/bane of games everywhere. I'd like to say that it's certainly a good thing if it increases the replayability of the game, but that's a discussion for another day...

Asehujiko:

Joe Kilner:
On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Because the that entire idea is a blatant lie to cover up money/powergrabbing?
"Your game is so expensive because PIRATES"
"Your taxes are so high because IMMIGRANTS"
"Your have no privacy because TERRORISTS"
"You are drafted into the army to be shipped to vietnam because COMMUNITSTS"

On topic: I hope homebrew artists find a way to work around the tiny RAM and make something good.

That would explain why the PS3 doesn't have a massively better attach rate than 360 as well.

Joe Kilner:
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On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Its about time one of you noticed that ... :)

JediMB:

John Funk:
Even worse, this method of piracy doesn't seem to require any hardware modifications (like needing to "modchip" your Xbox 360 or Wii) - just software and the USB dongle.

To be fair, all you need for the Wii is an SD card.

Hey, let's not forget the Dreamcast. All you needed to do was burn a game...ANY sort of protection is better than that.

OT: They say that it can't be used without the specific dongle. IE: Hackers have found the code contained on the dongle but say it doesn't work when they use their own USB thumb drives. Part of me still says it's a hoax. I had visited a website selling these, that said they were sent it on the 19th, yet all their videos were dated the 18th. Who knows.

Asehujiko:

Joe Kilner:
On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Because the that entire idea is a blatant lie to cover up money/powergrabbing?
"Your game is so expensive because PIRATES"
"Your taxes are so high because IMMIGRANTS"
"Your have no privacy because TERRORISTS"
"You are drafted into the army to be shipped to vietnam because COMMUNITSTS"

On topic: I hope homebrew artists find a way to work around the tiny RAM and make something good.

DVD $0.30 - $2.00 per disc

Blu-ray single layer (25GB) $1.35-$1.45 per disk

Blue ray disk DL (50GB) $2.15 - $2.25 per disk

you do the math.

How did it take this long? Seriously, how is that possible?

Eh, I'm pretty pissed at Sony over the PS3, mine is just collecting dust, and I got it back when it was super expensive at launch.

So yeah, knock yourselves out pirates.

If it is true, I hope Sony feels really stupid about removing Install Other OS from all the old PS3s, because it doesn't seem to matter to hackers and pirates anymore.

Marter:
I guess I'll just sit back and wait for the update which disables the USB ports on my PS3.

*sigh*

Oh shit that's probably what they'll do isn't it? =P

mad825:

Asehujiko:

Joe Kilner:
On a related note, if the PS3 is so piracy free, then why aren't the games cheaper?

Because the that entire idea is a blatant lie to cover up money/powergrabbing?
"Your game is so expensive because PIRATES"
"Your taxes are so high because IMMIGRANTS"
"Your have no privacy because TERRORISTS"
"You are drafted into the army to be shipped to vietnam because COMMUNITSTS"

On topic: I hope homebrew artists find a way to work around the tiny RAM and make something good.

DVD $0.30 - $2.00 per disc

Blu-ray single layer (25GB) $1.35-$1.45 per disk

Blue ray disk DL (50GB) $2.15 - $2.25 per disk

you do the math.

So did you guys forget that developers and publishers have to try and make all the millions of dollars they spent making that game and that's why it's expensive? I mean, right, piracy isn't a problem and blu-ray discs are a little over $2 a disc, so clearly all PS3 games should be $3 right?

People who do this deserve the YLOD. That's right I said it.

Dioxide20:
Better benefits for owning a legitimate copy of a game = best DRM.

Trying to crack proof your console just delays the inevitable. It will always happen.

You think Sony doesn't know that?
That any of the industry giants don't know that?

They do not make this sort of DRM as a "Final Solution", but rather as a preserving measure for their profits. Sony in particular must be aware of this already, seeing how they can only turn a profit on the PS3 through game license royalties.

You are still quite correct in your statement, I merely mean to clarify the situation; What looks like complete idiocy to us does have some logic behind it in a business sense (Ubisoft's online-only DRM was doomed to failure from the start, but the tech is still there, ready for other potential applications).
The fact that the PS3's software sales were minimally impacted by piracy for this long was a boon for Sony.

Jailbreaking hasn't affected the Iphone app store too much. PC gaming is still here and their revenue went up last year, so how is it that jailbreaking is a problem? Oh wait of course it isn't. I would like to dump my games to my hard drive and not have to get up to get the individual discs especially now that I have moved my PS3 to my computer desk as my new Dell monitor is better than my HDTV. But of course I can't because these corporations are too stupid to just give up on this whole piracy thing since they were never guaranteed a sale in the first place.

Edit: It doesn't help that Sony decided to give people a reason to get into the system with the whole Otheros debacle.

How did it take this long for this to happen. 360 firmwware was "fixed" like right after release...

I really hope it's true. I don't own a PS3, so it's not like I want it to pirate PS3 games, but it's just because Sony said it was hackerproof.

Nothing is hackerproof.They released some sort of quantum networking... thing, a while back, that they said was unhackable. Hacked within a month.

If you have to code something, the code can be reversed.

Also, I can't see that much piracy occuring on the PS3. Blu-rays hold up to 50GB, right? So most games might be like 25GB+ Who wants to download that? No one but the most hardcore pirate.

razer17:
I really hope it's true. I don't own a PS3, so it's not like I want it to pirate PS3 games, but it's just because Sony said it was hackerproof.

Nothing is hackerproof.They released some sort of quantum networking... thing, a while back, that they said was unhackable. Hacked within a month.

If you have to code something, the code can be reversed.

Also, I can't see that much piracy occuring on the PS3. Blu-rays hold up to 50GB, right? So most games might be like 25GB+ Who wants to download that? No one but the most hardcore pirate.

Well the multiplatform games which still generally sell better on the 360 probably don't use much in the way of space. But I can't see this thing being a big problem for first party games.

New record!

No really nice for going this long with out much piracy, thou I should buy al the games I want on the PS3 befor they up the prices to "recover" their losses.

Oh, companys do loose mony with piracy, see Person A goes out and purches Game Z, but if instead he/she pirates it then Developers of game Z dont GET that profit. Its less about loosing money in theft and more like lost to compition.

It would not shock me to find out that this is not a Hokes and it is very real. I would like to mention that putting un-ortherised software on to your playstation3 will only end up with you gaining future problems. Sony is a very smart company with smart employs working at the firm. They will most probably cut you off from updates, going online, signing in to your PSN and other inconvenience for you. I would like to further say that it is best for you to be honest with what you perches from your stores. Just save up for your games, not hack. People put in allot of effort for you to enjoy the game and you will only insult them by hacking.

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