Game Devs Vote Baldur's Gate Best Game of All Time

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ericlinke:
I can't help but chuckle everytime I see somebody quoting Minsc.

When the going gets tough, someone hold my rodent!

YES MONKEY ISLAND!

Ahem.

Really interesting to see that Baldur's Gate is top. Didn't expect that at all. All I remember about that game is that I had a demo for it, and there were rats. Big ol' rats.

wickedmonkey:
The results are in and all is as it should be...

Sewer Rat:
Sorry, but this list is kind of crap and reeks of developers trying to push their own games. I have been wanting to try Baldur's Gate for a while, but this list is not reinforcing or diminishing my desire to play the game.

At the risk of sounding like a rabid fanboy, you're doing yourself a great disservice by keeping away from the Baldur's Gate saga. Seriously. Grab BG 1 & 2 with the expansions, maybe look into the Tutu mod so you can play BG1 with BG2's engine, and treat yourself to hours and hours of one of the best RPGs you can play.

(And then try the Icewind Dale series, for more dungeon crawly goodness!)

I never said I didn't want to play it, I do, I REALLY do... I'm just saying looking at the other entries on the list just makes me question the surveys integrity, so I'm just not going to be using this as motivation to get the game. I daresay though, I already am enough though, the second I stop being lazy and tell my bank to validate transactions with Europe, I will be buying the game of GoG, and I bet as a roleplaying fan I will probably love the hell out of it. But for now, I'll just enjoy Skyrim and my heavily modded copy of Oblivion.

As long as Deus Ex is on the list, I'm a happy man.

Well BG2 is the best game of all time for me (OPINION! I'm entitled to mine, as are you), so I can't say I disagree with this list.

Though if game devs think it is the best series why haven't we had more games/series LIKE it?

There is a reason I enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins as much as did despite its obvious faults (which I did notice as I played through it). Gamers who LOVE the BGSaga are starved of that kind of game...

Abedeus:

BehattedWanderer:
Dead Space and Tomb Raider? Seriously? Portal, Half-Life, and Fallout don't make the list, but they do? Yup, broken list is broken. Simple as that. Also:

Abedeus:
and if you see point and click adventure ga... or when you used to see p'n'c adventure games, you'd compare them to Monkey Island. Especially if they had comical elements.

Actually, I compare them to King's Quest, which was always more fun, in that particularly frustrating kind of way, than Monkey Island. But maybe that's just me.

Well, you see, Tomb Raider is a classic from MY days. Nobody knew about King's Quest here. Or at least not in my age group... Everyone knew about TR.

And I hated King's Quest. I played a LOT of p'n'c adventure games, even classics like Larry (loved all of the games, got all of the first 5 games, and Larry 7 somewhere on a shelf I dunno where), but I really disliked how easy it is to die in a game like that.

...Now, Sam and Max, those are classics.

I actually enjoyed the way it would randomly kill you. It showed you that curiosity, missteps, and failing to prepare could kill you cold. Plus, the mythology bent into it felt more fun to me, liking that kind of thing. Though, I'll give you that the precise steps have to be walked or you die would occasionally annoy. And I'll revise my stance on Tomb Raider, having thought about it--action platforming did more or less get a good start there, so that's fair enough.

'Tis a rather sh*te list, in my eyes at least. Dead Space? Diablo? Everquest?! I'm sorry, but while those games may be good, I find it hard to believe they are some of the best games ever made. What about Resi 4? Or Beyond Good & Evil?

alrekr:
How come the MGS series wasn't included but the Mass Effect series was! I detect major bias here.

Also who the feth voted for COD and Dead Space? Okay their good games; but not best ever. Silent Hill2 > Dead Space anyday. What about RDR (series) or a Total War game? Half-Life (series).

.........it's their opinion, so of course there is bias.

Remember the days of this?

thiosk:
I cannot accept this because

Super Metroid

has been quite obviously overlooked. Sorry, I like BG and a lot of the others on the list, but COME ON. Its objectively the best game ever.

Oh yeah. I remember buying this new - I've got the version that came in a big box (which I still have). It is one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had, not sure about the best, but it's up there.

BgRdMchne:
Remember the days of this?

I love you for this.

Well, I give them props for putting Shadow of the Colossus fairly high on the list.

*insert fangirl rage on why Bioshock is on the list instead of System Shock 2*

And so it fucking should be thats what I think, Baldurs Gate is an omnipotent god of a game.

ONWARD!

1) Baldur's Gate (series)
2) Diablo (series)
3) Monkey Island (series)
4) Shadow of the Colossus
5) Mass Effect (series)
6) Batman: Arkham Asylum
7) StarCraft
8) The Legend of Zelda
9) EverQuest
10) Devil May Cry
11) Tomb Raider (series)
12) BioShock
13) Metal Gear Solid
14) World of Warcraft
15) Deus Ex
16) Super Mario (series)
17) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
18) Silent Hill
19) Assassin's Creed
20) Dead Space

Fix'd.
Sorry, but I don't consider those struck out as legitimate games, no matter how popular they are. Simply due to the extreme emphasis they place on grind instead of gameplay.

Adding those levels of grind to an otherwise solid game is like baking a delicious cake, and then only permitting yourself to eat an ounce of it per day. By the time you've eaten even half of it, it's gone stale and you want nothing more to do with it, but you must eat it or it will go to waste.

Commentary on the actual games:

Why are these on this list?

20) Dead Space (You have Bioshock listed, and System Shock 2, apart from its dated graphics, is a MUCH better space-horror game than Dead Space. BY FAR BETTER. As we say around these parts "Get this weak shit out of my office!")

19) Assassin's Creed (I simply disagree here. It's good, and very solidly designed, but I can think of much MUCH better games.)

17) CoD4.0: MW is basically a surrogate for Halo, seeing how stupidly similar the two games are mechanically when you look past the genre difference. It's an unfortunate quota that had to be fulfilled, but at least it's near the bottom of the list.

11) Tomb Raider (This series was never really excellent; merely popular due to its infamously well-endowed protagonist)

Additional Commentary:

6) Batman: Arkum Asylum (This game actually deserves to be on this list. I'm just surprised to see it so high up)

2) Diablo (Oh, I've sunk more hours than I can remember into D1 and D2...but even now I look back and wish I had found something else sooner)

What isn't on this list:
-Bethesda games (As hard as I am on them, Morrowind and Daggerfell are both quite good. Not sure if they're Absolute Top Caliber, but yeah)
-Metroid [series, minus Other M] (Really, I suspect this isn't on the list solely because of how shitty Other M is, and given how many recent titles are on here, it's still probably a sore spot in our collective memories. I'd place the Metroid games well above Mario and a bit above Zelda.)
-GTA [series] (well...the only ones that would be counted are from GTA3 onward, since so few of us actually played the top-down series)
-Half Life [series] (I'm not all that hyped about Half Life in general, and I'd still pick this over fucking Dead Space.)
-Final Fantasy JRPGS (It's a sign of the times when not one game of what used to be an immensely popular genre isn't on this list. My picks for a representative would come down to Chrono Trigger, Suikoden 2, and Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions)

Oh, lol. I'm a game developer and I've only played through like two of those games. But it doesn't really surprise me, most of the people I've worked with are into fantasy rpg-type crap and mmos. Among game devs, it never seems cool to like Half Life or Gears of War.

I wonder who these people were that they polled.

I guess there ae worse line ups of games but...I think this just means that all game developers are jealous of valve. I can think of no other reason why none of their games are there.

Hell yeah! This calls for celebration MINSC AND BOO STYLE...

LavaLampBamboo:

Really interesting to see that Baldur's Gate is top. Didn't expect that at all. All I remember about that game is that I had a demo for it, and there were rats. Big ol' rats.

I can only think of one time you fight rats in the Baldur's Gate series, and that's as a joke at the very start. You might be thinking about a different game unfortunately.

Sewer Rat:
Sorry, but this list is kind of crap and reeks of developers trying to push their own games. I have been wanting to try Baldur's Gate for a while, but this list is not reinforcing or diminishing my desire to play the game.

Actually you should being the one that got 1st place most mean that more then just their developer likes it :)

the places 10-20 on the other hand feel a lot like developers praising them self.

Dead space? while Its the last thing i would expect on that list..I LOVE deadspace..

and cue people saying why the list is "wrong"

Thank Darwin i don't give a damn about popular opinion.

I've set up my own list of top games and it's the only one i'll ever trust, and i don't even expect other people to care about my list since it's all just personal opinion.

Wow and this is what makes Dragon Age 2 an even bigger tragedy. A final slap to the face to the entire world.
Only snotty creatures with no memories of the great past that was Baldurs gate could like such an appalling game.
The whole world has voted R.I.P spiritual successor of Baldurs gate.

The only things I would change: add (series) after The Legend of Zelda, change World of Warcraft to the entire Warcraft series, and throw the Total War series a bone. If you didn't put the entire series up there, at least do Rome.

Otherwise, I'm relatively happy with the list since I haven't played many of the others.

Bah. Everytime one of these lists is released it's a crock of shit. Some of those, surely, have had huge impacts upon gaming, but the majority will be forgotten in 10 years. Would people truly dare to compare Arkham Asylum with Deus Ex or Baldur's Gate?

It's like comparing Avatar (which was a fun enough movie) with Jurassic Park (a film that will remain magical for children and adults for decades - nay, CENTURIES - to come??).

And really .. wtf .. no Elite ?! *points to avatar*

Personally, I'm overjoyed that Baldur's Gate and Diablo are way up there, but I don't agree with some of these other games. Silent Hill should be bumped up, Tomb Raider shouldn't even be there (your smokin' sweater puppies can only take you so far, Lara) and Half-Life should've
made the list. I smell hax.

Also: "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!"

The Madman:
Hell yeah! This calls for celebration MINSC AND BOO STYLE...

LavaLampBamboo:

Really interesting to see that Baldur's Gate is top. Didn't expect that at all. All I remember about that game is that I had a demo for it, and there were rats. Big ol' rats.

I can only think of one time you fight rats in the Baldur's Gate series, and that's as a joke at the very start. You might be thinking about a different game unfortunately.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure that there were all these rats knocking about at the start... Maybe monkeys later on? I don't know. It was a PS2 thing.

Oh wait. I played a demo of Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance. They we go =)

Blizzard being a major contributor and Diablo Starcraft and WoW all making the list, suscpicious...

no probably not, those are all pretty reasonable choices. I do wish that Half-life or Portal made the list though.

LavaLampBamboo:

Hmm. I'm pretty sure that there were all these rats knocking about at the start... Maybe monkeys later on? I don't know. It was a PS2 thing.

Oh wait. I played a demo of Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance. They we go =)

I'd kinda figured, a lot of people think of the Dark Alliance games when they hear Baldur's Gate. Not actually the series being talked about here though, go figure. Same name but two completely different Baldur's Gate series.

Old PC version by Bioware and Black Isle is the one they're talking about. Most importantly it's also the one with Minsc & Boo!

If you're at all interested in rpg I'd suggest looking them up. Despite being over ten years old now the series is still easily available in boxed form as well as through gog.com and hold up surprisingly well, the second game especially thanks to its high resolution artwork and robust game engine. You might be surprised!

Where the FLYING FUCK is ANY Half-life game? For that matter: Why is NOTHING made by VALVe on the list?? L4D2 should be in there somewhere and at least ONE half-life game should be in the top ten! Methinks this was a deliberate removal of all VALVe products by survey writers pissed off at the lack of HL2:EP3

No Half Life is somewhat concerning. No Valve whatsoever is highly suspicious, as Dead Space somehow made it. Modern Warfare? I guess it gets a pass, seeing how even Yahtzee gave it a lot of praise.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Because "no-one plays Turn Based Strategy any more."

Pokémon.

It's possible, you just have to freshen up the concept. Landscape hasn't looked well for strategy games in general lately. Maybe due to Modern FPS selling better. Or that strategy games require advanced and expensive AI. I dunno.

Aidinthel:

Leftnt Sharpe:
This really begs the question: if so many developers love Baldur's Gate, why the hell does no one make that kind of isometric RPG any more?

That sort of decision is ultimately based on what they think will sell, not what they'd prefer to be playing themselves.

Which is odd, considering what sells REALLY ought to be the same thing as what people want to play. Also, you'd hope some indie dev would make one. Makes me wish I could program.

Makes me happy that half the posts in this thread are just Minsc quotes.

You are all as smart as Boo sometimes...

Arawn:
I too am curious to why Half Life and it's buddy Counterstrike didn't make the list. Warcraft should have be on there next to Starcraft, but for some reason WoW is there instead.Mario shouldn't have reached the top 20.I've always seen him as Nintendo's version of Sonic, but with a better life support system. I have mixed feelings on Silent hill. They've got a track record very similar Resident Evil. For the most part I been more creeped out (kinda scared) by SH more than RE.

for some reason?

you have to achknowledge wow's place in the founding of the mmorpg, and the success it had at that, even if you don't like the damn thing. 11 million people didn't sub for nothing.

you would think the best game ever made (portal)would be on the there

Ulquiorra4sama:
Thank Darwin i don't give a damn about popular opinion.

I've set up my own list of top games and it's the only one i'll ever trust, and i don't even expect other people to care about my list since it's all just personal opinion.

Thanks for the contribution, chump. But I don't really think anyone's interested in hearing about how you aren't interested in the list. I'm sure there are better threads for you to act like a rebel in.

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