GameStop Says Gamers Won't Buy Consoles Without Used Games

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Easton Dark:

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and in cases like the one you described you can simply wait for sales, lower the amount of games you buy, buy games online where they are usually cheaper. as i said, if you are in such a tight situation that a video game is going to wreck your budget then video games should not be a high priority. used games are not something that have been around forever. its a relatively new market and people managed just fine before they existed. the only reason this is a big deal is because now people have become used to the idea of used games and no longer think of it as a good deal but rather as a necessary part of gaming, which it isnt. i dont know when used games first showed up but i dont remember seeing them until the gamecube and xbox days, and maybe not even then

It's not about breaking your budget, I never accept that argument. People on some tight budgets can afford the used games, they can't afford to buy the new ones, and they do want to play games.

Say they want to play the latest call o' doody that never go on sale or lower their price much at all. Only avenue is the used market. There's no reason they couldn't afford to play it if they bought it used, and it would make them very happy to do so.

Or maybe how people base purchasing decisions is on borrowing a friend's copy, or maybe hand-me-down games to siblings.

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used games are not something that have been around forever.

They've been around since the first home consoles/pc games, what do you mean?

and thats my point. if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities. its the same argument some pc gamers make. they cant afford the game they want so theyll just pirate it instead

maybe used games have been around forever where you live, but i didnt start seeing used games until around the time of the gamecube, and maybe even later than that. my point is that people act like used games are necessary and the whole industry would just fall apart without them, and yet somehow me and everyone i grew up with who played video games managed to survive without used games for many years

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So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

Here here.

If that's a trend that sticks I'll just take a more prominent switch to PC gaming.

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and thats my point. if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities. its the same argument some pc gamers make. they cant afford the game they want so theyll just pirate it instead

maybe used games have been around forever where you live, but i didnt start seeing used games until around the time of the gamecube, and maybe even later than that. my point is that people act like used games are necessary and the whole industry would just fall apart without them, and yet somehow me and everyone i grew up with who played video games managed to survive without used games for many years

They want to play games and right now they can afford to do so. It's why you don't buy the expensive dish at a restaurant when you know the cheaper one is just as good. It's a waste.

It's great what you were able to do, but there are people whose entire game collection is used games. So for them, used games were necessary. The market will not fall apart for everyone, I use steam heavily, all my games are "new", but that statement is not true for every person who has gaming as a hobby.

The elimination of used games honestly wouldn't bother me too much... except when the game is no longer available new. And that's going to happen, and Sony and Microsoft wouldn't give two shits, because it wouldn't be money directly into their hands, but it would be a deciding factor for some people, more than I think has been considered by most, and that's a factor. Secondhand is the only way to get many games, many games that were excellent and deserve to be played, that will cease to exist one day because of money-grubbing nonsense like this.

Think about it: If developers had their way and used games, emulators, piracy, and the like simply ceased to exist, so would whatever games they don't feel like re-releasing on a later console. Forever. That alone is enough to tell them to fuck right off for most people, and I'm one of them.

There's also something to be said for people just looking to make a buck - some of them in genuine need of said buck, and having leverage to do so via their games collections - that would be left out in the cold.

If the games were always and indefinitely available, I'd get used to it; I'm quite selective with my purchases, and absolutely everything I buy is something I'm either positive or almost positive I'll enjoy enough to want the developer to be paid for their work anyway.

But every game won't always and indefinitely be available, and companies like Sony and Microsoft won't give two shits. That makes this a bad idea, not to them, sure, but to us, and it's our money the bastards want with such feverish glee, and while I'd love to see their greed bite them in the ass so hard it takes the rest of them with it, it'd be easier on everyone if these major corporations would just take a longer-term view on things instead, and stop trying so hard to find ways to bleed more cash out of us.

Easton Dark:

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and thats my point. if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities. its the same argument some pc gamers make. they cant afford the game they want so theyll just pirate it instead

maybe used games have been around forever where you live, but i didnt start seeing used games until around the time of the gamecube, and maybe even later than that. my point is that people act like used games are necessary and the whole industry would just fall apart without them, and yet somehow me and everyone i grew up with who played video games managed to survive without used games for many years

They want to play games and right now they can afford to do so. It's why you don't buy the expensive dish at a restaurant when you know the cheaper one is just as good. It's a waste.

It's great what you were able to do, but there are people whose entire game collection is used games. So for them, used games were necessary. The market will not fall apart for everyone, I use steam heavily, all my games are "new", but that statement is not true for every person who has gaming as a hobby.

yeah you buy a cheaper meal, you dont sample the leftovers of other people instead of paying the restaurant for your own meal

im aware that some people have entire game collections made up of used games but there is no reason their games have to be used. you can wait for a price drop or space out how often you buy games

Games have never been worth more than $20 to me, and for a long time now used copies were the only way to get them for that price.

Also, having bought at least 35-40 used games for my Xbox 360, I've never had a single one have a disc related problem.

A SINGLE ONE.

As for "saving a few bucks"? Try a few hundred. There are several games in my collection that I love, that I got for 3 dollars. 3 DOLLARS. And while I love them, they are NOT worth 60 dollar.

In short? I won't buy a console without used games and always on internet connectivity to play single player. Not unless games BRAND NEW start selling at $20.

Game devs can take a pay cut for all I care, they're grossly overpaid anyway.

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im aware that some people have entire game collections made up of used games but there is no reason their games have to be used. you can wait for a price drop or space out how often you buy games

There's no reason they have to be new either.

They're playing used right now. They don't have to wait, they don't have to space it out. They don't have to take these extra steps you suggest. I see nothing that benefits the consumer from taking away used games.

What do the people who buy new already get from taking them away?

edit: Actually now that I think about the restaurant analogy, it'd be more like someone buys the expensive... er, hamburger, takes a bite, decides they don't like it, and manage to nearly perfectly craft the hamburger back into form but with a bite mark, and then try to sell it for much less than the restaurant. Ewwww. Games industry and food analogies don't work.

Easton Dark:

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im aware that some people have entire game collections made up of used games but there is no reason their games have to be used. you can wait for a price drop or space out how often you buy games

There's no reason they have to be new either.

They're playing used right now. They don't have to wait, they don't have to space it out. They don't have to take these extra steps you suggest. I see nothing that benefits the consumer from taking away used games.

What do the people who buy new already get from taking them away?

besides knowing that they are helping to support developers of content that they enjoy and the fact that every time you buy a new game you are basically voting for what kinds of games you would like to see more of in the future, absolutely nothing

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besides knowing that they are helping to support developers of content that they enjoy and the fact that every time you buy a new game you are basically voting for what kinds of games you would like to see more of in the future, absolutely nothing

When buying console games, you're giving your money to where you bought the game from. The publisher was payed on the first day when these stores ordered the games.

When a game is bad and doesn't sell, the store wont order nearly as many copies of a developer's next game in the series, or advertise if they had done so (you see these things like cardboard cutouts and posters for Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim mostly, not new or unpopular IPs).

If the game is so immensely popular that after the first week or two (majority of sales time) and there's still high demand, then the stores would order more. If it is that popular though, did the developer really need the extra support from the used gamers?

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On the PC and Xbox Marketplace/PSN/Nintendo Store/App Store/whatever, you have that point in your favor completely. Developers get the money from every purchase. Thing is, no used market exists for them.

Easton Dark:

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besides knowing that they are helping to support developers of content that they enjoy and the fact that every time you buy a new game you are basically voting for what kinds of games you would like to see more of in the future, absolutely nothing

When buying console games, you're giving your money to where you bought the game from. The publisher was payed on the first day when these stores ordered the games.

When a game is bad and doesn't sell, the store wont order nearly as many copies of a developer's next game in the series, or advertise if they had done so (you see these things like cardboard cutouts and posters for Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim mostly, not new or unpopular IPs).

If the game is so immensely popular that after the first week or two (majority of sales time) and there's still high demand, then the stores would order more. If it is that popular though, did the developer really need the extra support from the used gamers?

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On the PC and Xbox Marketplace/PSN/Nintendo Store/App Store/whatever, you have that point in your favor completely. Developers get the money from every purchase. Thing is, no used market exists for them.

i didnt really follow most of what you said but in any case, call me crazy but id much rather give my money to the people who created the product, rather than just to the store that actively discourages people from buying new games

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i didnt really follow most of what you said but in any case, call me crazy but id much rather give my money to the people who created the product, rather than just to the store that actively discourages people from buying new games

It'd be best then to mail those $60 right to the developers and ask them if they could give one of the numerous copies they'd have around the office.

If bought at a store, you're paying the store, the publisher, and then the developers.

And sorry. I'm tired maybe I'm not typing ideas clearly :L

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Stores order a certain number of games from the publisher. The stores hopefully sell those at full price to make money. If not, reduce price to recoup some loss.

If they don't sell all the games at full price and order more from the publisher, buying new or used at that point makes no difference. Developers and publishers get no more money at all.

I know it's too late now but this thread REALLY should have had a poll asking if we'd buy said console to compare Gamestops claims to reality. Oh well.

As someone who buys used games a lot, trades games with friends, and practically treats them as a form of currency I would never buy a console that doesn't let me play physical games unless literally no other options existed. That being said my 2 consoles are the PC and WiiU so Microsoft and Sony can do whatever the hell they want for all I care.

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Easton Dark:

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and in cases like the one you described you can simply wait for sales, lower the amount of games you buy, buy games online where they are usually cheaper. as i said, if you are in such a tight situation that a video game is going to wreck your budget then video games should not be a high priority. used games are not something that have been around forever. its a relatively new market and people managed just fine before they existed. the only reason this is a big deal is because now people have become used to the idea of used games and no longer think of it as a good deal but rather as a necessary part of gaming, which it isnt. i dont know when used games first showed up but i dont remember seeing them until the gamecube and xbox days, and maybe not even then

It's not about breaking your budget, I never accept that argument. People on some tight budgets can afford the used games, they can't afford to buy the new ones, and they do want to play games.

Say they want to play the latest call o' doody that never go on sale or lower their price much at all. Only avenue is the used market. There's no reason they couldn't afford to play it if they bought it used, and it would make them very happy to do so.

Or maybe how people base purchasing decisions is on borrowing a friend's copy, or maybe hand-me-down games to siblings.

And uh...

used games are not something that have been around forever.

They've been around since the first home consoles/pc games, what do you mean?

and thats my point. if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities. its the same argument some pc gamers make. they cant afford the game they want so theyll just pirate it instead

maybe used games have been around forever where you live, but i didnt start seeing used games until around the time of the gamecube, and maybe even later than that. my point is that people act like used games are necessary and the whole industry would just fall apart without them, and yet somehow me and everyone i grew up with who played video games managed to survive without used games for many years

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

Crono1973:

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

Are they joking? I've bought 1 used game only because they had only used copies in stock. Seriously, gamestop is awful now.

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Crono1973:

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.

The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

I think as an out-and-out statement of fact this would come as a surprise to, say, the people who have thrown in behind the Ouya.

But as far as the traditional $60 game-in-a-box market goes, he's probably got a point. I certainly wouldn't intentionally buy a product that had gone that far out of its way to introduce a feature solely to shore up a flagging business model and screw me over as a consumer.

Crono1973:

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Crono1973:

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.

The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

Crono1973:

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Crono1973:

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.

The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

First of all, learn to use capitalization and punctuation. That would help people to not get lost while reading your posts.

Secondly, we used to be able to sell PC games used but we lost that because no one fought back. We don't want the console market to end up that way. If it weren't for Steam there would be no PC games industry because without those Steam sales, no one would buy $60 games they can't resell when they could just buy the same game on consoles. It is your opinion that PC gamers don't care about used games. What universe are you living in where PC gamers are not also console gamers?

Every new console game I have purchased in the past couple of years has been subsidized by trade ins. I simply can't afford to drop $60 for every game I want. Without used games I will be buying fewer games and I am not the only one. I have never seen Gamestop actively discourage me to buy a new game.

Now, when you respond to me, act like you took an English Composition class or I won't bother reading it.

this is a forum, im not being graded on my grammer. no one else seems to have trouble understanding what i write but if you choose to not read it then thats entirely up to you. you just seem to be acting rude for the sake of acting rude. theres no need for that when we are just having a conversation. the pc maket would still exist without steam but it just became easier to use steam. there are many people who buy games without any intention of selling them, myself included. the pc vs console debate has shown up on this site many times. there are totally people who just play pc or just play console. every time i buy a new game at gamestop and even when i bought a ps3, they tried to convince me to buy the used version instead. that is actively trying to deny developers money that i was planning to give them. for that reason, the money from trading in games often goes to buying more used games, not new ones. this is not helping the game industry, its helping gamestop

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Crono1973:

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now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

First of all, learn to use capitalization and punctuation. That would help people to not get lost while reading your posts.

Secondly, we used to be able to sell PC games used but we lost that because no one fought back. We don't want the console market to end up that way. If it weren't for Steam there would be no PC games industry because without those Steam sales, no one would buy $60 games they can't resell when they could just buy the same game on consoles. It is your opinion that PC gamers don't care about used games. What universe are you living in where PC gamers are not also console gamers?

Every new console game I have purchased in the past couple of years has been subsidized by trade ins. I simply can't afford to drop $60 for every game I want. Without used games I will be buying fewer games and I am not the only one. I have never seen Gamestop actively discourage me to buy a new game.

Now, when you respond to me, act like you took an English Composition class or I won't bother reading it.

this is a forum, im not being graded on my grammer. no one else seems to have trouble understanding what i write but if you choose to not read it then thats entirely up to you. you just seem to be acting rude for the sake of acting rude. theres no need for that when we are just having a conversation. the pc maket would still exist without steam but it just became easier to use steam. there are many people who buy games without any intention of selling them, myself included. the pc vs console debate has shown up on this site many times. there are totally people who just play pc or just play console. every time i buy a new game at gamestop and even when i bought a ps3, they tried to convince me to buy the used version instead. that is actively trying to deny developers money that i was planning to give them. for that reason, the money from trading in games often goes to buying more used games, not new ones. this is not helping the game industry, its helping gamestop

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

Crono1973:

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

well then i take it this debate is over. cant say im too disappointed. in the future please try to borrow less from the bill o'reily school of debate. its quite possible to debate someone and still be polite. i dont feel theres anything wrong with my grammer and im sorry that my lack of capitalization bothers you so much but you are the first person to ever get upset with me over it. considering the amount of messages i receive and the informal nature of this site, i see no need to write formally

Daystar Clarion:

Translation: 'We won't make as much money without used games.'

They may have a point, but when a lot of their bottom line is gained from huge profit margins from used games, would you expect anything different?

The problem with that statement is that Gamestop is the cornerstone of gaming retail, so powerful that publishers actually bend over backwards to give them exclusive DLC and deals to work around online passes. Even as you point out the supposed self-serving nature of their statement, aren't you reinforcing its validity?

synobal:

I can't imagine risking my cash on a product that may or may not be even viable.

That's funny, I thought you said you were a PC gamer.

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if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

wulf3n:

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if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

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Crono1973:

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

well then i take it this debate is over. cant say im too disappointed. in the future please try to borrow less from the bill o'reily school of debate. its quite possible to debate someone and still be polite. i dont feel theres anything wrong with my grammer and im sorry that my lack of capitalization bothers you so much but you are the first person to ever get upset with me over it. considering the amount of messages i receive and the informal nature of this site, i see no need to write formally

Everything I had to say was said anyway, no need to repeat myself over and over again. Still, I think you should look into making your posts more readable.

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wulf3n:

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if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

I'm disagreeing with you.

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wulf3n:

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if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

They are saying that a person who buys a game used has already set their priorities and decided not to spend $60 on that game.

If used games drive customers away, publishers will have to lower prices to draw customers back in. Which, without used games cutting into the publishers bottom line, they will be capable of doing. The end result is fewer middlemen between the customer and the game, which will be good for everyone except Gamestop.

Sure, there is likely to be a time where publishers try to reap the rewards of a disappearing used games market without cutting prices. After all, of course people buying used games are going to SAY that they wouldn't buy a console if they couldn't buy used games because its in there interest to say that, but about as many will heed that advice as those that move out of the country when there presidential candidate loses. But they still will buy those consoles. But one problem at a time.

It's surprising the number of people here willing to throw away what few remaining consumer rights they have regarding video games.

Xanadu84:
If used games drive customers away, publishers will have to lower prices to draw customers back in. Which, without used games cutting into the publishers bottom line, they will be capable of doing. The end result is fewer middlemen between the customer and the game, which will be good for everyone except Gamestop.

Sure, there is likely to be a time where publishers try to reap the rewards of a disappearing used games market without cutting prices. After all, of course people buying used games are going to SAY that they wouldn't buy a console if they couldn't buy used games because its in there interest to say that, but about as many will heed that advice as those that move out of the country when there presidential candidate loses. But they still will buy those consoles. But one problem at a time.

No used games isn't just bad for Gamestop, it's bad for everyone. When a game goes out of print, there will be no way to obtain a working copy of that game. Now think about that for a minute, do you have any out of print games in your library? Do you lack some out of print games?

Also, Gamestop isn't the only seller of used games. Look on eBay, Amazon, garage sales, etc....

Killing the used game market is anti-consumer.

Now look, I am telling you that I bought a lot fewer games new this gen due to the higher price and when I did buy games new, I traded in old games to offset the cost. I can't pull money out of my ass just because publishers want me to. I, and I am sure I am not alone, will just buy fewer games. You say that will result in price cuts, I say that if there are too many price cuts that they will be making less than they are now.

I think it's more likely that they will phase out physical copies (by shipping limited quantities) and leaning heavily on digital distribution where shelf space is not a factor and they never have to drop prices. You go on putting your faith in greedy publishers, I won't.

I am glad Gamestop is finally starting to publicly stand up to the publishers. They sat back and watched as Project $10 and online passes were implemented. Seems like they should have fought back a few years ago before it got to this but they didn't....that we know of.

Jesse Billingsley:

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

If I don't have a physical copy, used or not, and if the console requires CONSTANT internet access in order to turn the damn thing on, I might as well just give up gaming all together.

This right here, I like being able to play games without having to worry about other stuff. Man sometimes I miss the days of cartridges.

I'm sure it will hurt console sales. Any negative change for the consumers such as this will. Is it more damaging than used game sales though? Probably not. I don't care either way. I haven't bought a single used game in over 7 years, and don't plan to. If I want a game, I buy it at full price on release day. I only buy 2-3 games a year anyways.

Also, of course GameStop has to say this. It's a threat to their very existence. They'd be dumb *not* to speak out against this.

otakon17:

Jesse Billingsley:

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

If I don't have a physical copy, used or not, and if the console requires CONSTANT internet access in order to turn the damn thing on, I might as well just give up gaming all together.

This right here, I like being able to play games without having to worry about other stuff. Man sometimes I miss the days of cartridges.

Still got my N64 Bro! Shout out to Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Mario 64!

OT: I have a feeling that Microsoft and Sony (should these rumors prove to be true) are going to end up shooting themselves in the face. I predict a massive drop in the in console gaming, and a massive increase in things like Steam, Free to play games, and PC gaming in general because most of the games do not require internet access to play them, and the ones that do can run on a standard computer with enough RAMM.

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