Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

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But surely the social liberals won't stand for this. Personal freedom is one of their bullet points.Hell its the whole embodiment of the social liberal ideology. And I cant really imagine labour helping out the conservatives on this either, so how are they going to get it through parliament
Can someone that follows british politics better than me please explain this?

You can tell there's an election brewing. Now stop piddling about Tory boy and get back to the economy you ineffective, creedless, vacuous, joke of a man. You make my blood run cold at the thought of your ineptitude.

So what are the chances that perfectly reasonable, non-pornographic sites that feature adult content get caught up in this universal filter?

Sites such as... say... deviantART?

Capitano Segnaposto:
Okay, I am confused. Since when was porn considered something that would ruin a child? I remember seeing my first porn mag at the age of 7. I didn't become a mass murderer or serial rapist.

Really? Mine was at age 9. Thanks to my tiny child brain, I had no idea what was going on in the pictures.

As Heinlein once said, "Censorship is like telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it."

There might be a way to make it hard on the gov't.
Step 1: Opt for access to porn sites
Step 2: Create a folder on your computer labeled with the name Porn, CP, or some other potentially incriminating title
Step 3: Fill created folder with several Gbs worth of videos of Rick Astley or other troll worthy videos (make sure the videos are super long and are loops)

When the FBI ,or whatever is the British equivalent, search your computer somebody has to sit down and watch all of the videos from start to finish.

So how long is it going to be before dave decides to add on other things he finds distasteful like maybe sites for other political parties, or protest groups.

I really wish i could afford to leave this fucking shithole of a country!

This political show is probably a smokescreen to introduce more ways to monitor internet usage in the UK now that the existing methods have been revealed and are surely partly illegal.

Should watch the lettering of this law very closely to see if the blacklist can be updated quietly in the future.

First porn to 'protect children'.
Next it'll be stuff vaguely to do with 'terrorism'.
After that it will be 'things that could cause offence'.

OH HAI CHINA, WE <3 U HERE IN THE UK.

If David Cameron thinks having to make a phone call asking for porn is going to stop me, he clearly isnt aware of how much porn I consume.

Also, while I get that child porn is a horrible, horrible thing, I think there are more pressing issues in the UK - just counting my immediate family, weve been the victims of 5 attempted muggings in the last 5 years. How about doing something about that, Mr. Cameron?

NightHawk21:

Zipa:

NightHawk21:

See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?

Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.

Then I imagine Reddit is going to be getting a whole new set of british users, and the filter will prove pointless. I'm curious to see if 4chan will be blocked.

Seeing as how 4chan is basically the headquarters of Anonymous, I doubt the block would be there for long.

"I want to talk about the internet, the impact it is having on the innocence of our children" says the man who will have put millions UK children below the poverty line and made hundreds of thousands of families homeless by the time he hopefully leaves office.

welp rather than bitch about this i decided to write my MP by e-mail. and then bitch about it

idarkphoenixi:
Nothing get's under my skin more than a politician hiding behind children. Notice, he mentioned "secretive file-sharing networks". Now I wonder what he's talking about when he says "file-sharing"...At least have the guts to say what this is really about.

This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.

But hey, it's all about the children, everything we do is to protect the children, right?

Don't worry kids, you can still see naked ladies on page 3 newspapers. He's already specifically said he's not touching the newspapers, which makes it all the more obvious this has nothing to do with porn.

It looks like page 3 is on the way out, there is a group at the sun being put together at the moment to suggest what it can be replaced with (my suggestion is news).

If you want your views considered vote and become politically active, form groups, lobby your mp.

I dont feel strongly on this. Its not a ban, you just have to request adult content
Were all adults so wheres the problem? Unless youre not. Then its aimed at you.

luvd1:
You can tell there's an election brewing. Now stop piddling about Tory boy and get back to the economy you ineffective, creedless, vacuous, joke of a man. You make my blood run cold at the thought of your ineptitude.

I would say hes more of a shambles than a joke - I never found him funny.

Oh, Dave. You don't have to worry about porn "corroding childhood". Michael Gove can manage that just fine on his own!

1.) this shit never works. my school tries blocking all of the gaming and "bad" sites out there. Everybody still manages to play games on their school laptops. Hell, this entire site's devoted to gaming and I'm typing this on my school's laptop.

2.) WHAT THE FUCK I THOUGHT WE GOT RID OF THIS KIND OF LEGISLATION WHEN THE U.S. TRIED PASSING SOPA AND PIPA.

3.) Wouldn't it make more sense to simply give more power to the agencies that are supposed to bring down sites hosting child porn and rape porn? This way you can combat illegal sites without imposing on their citizens rights.

I'm pretty certain that this won't go through for as long as we're in the EU - having to sign up to a sex register for unrestricted access to the internet isn't exactly the sort of thing they go for.

Andy Shandy:
Dr. Cox really does put it best

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This^^^
You know there are problems that actually relevant, like having terrorist and hate preachers in the UK who we won't deport because of their "human rights".
My question is where are their victims' human rights?
With issues like this, how the hell can censoring porn be protecting us when our soilders are stabbed to death and ran down in the middle of London or the attacks of 7/7 kill dozens of people.
I'm not polictal but I've had it with the coalition.
Sorry for going off topic, the blindness the goverment has to bigger issues just comes to mind when they start doing trivial, unimportant stuff like this.

Captcha: no-brainer
Lol

Control the internet ... without shutting it off. Good luck with that Mr Cameron, your going to need it.

As others have said I find this type of thing rather offensive, but if Mr. Cameron thinks he can successfully censor all the porn I wish him luck in his endeavour.

Verlander:
I'm pretty certain that this won't go through for as long as we're in the EU - having to sign up to a sex register for unrestricted access to the internet isn't exactly the sort of thing they go for.

Whilst they have been rather good about appearing outraged about matters such as the US spying on us I wouldn't be so sure that they would stop this kind of thing considering they spend millions of pounds setting up groups to trawl the internet looking for anti EU content. And they do love state interference in every facet life, so I again I wouldn't put it past them supporting this.

Prince Regent:
But surely the social liberals won't stand for this. Personal freedom is one of their bullet points.Hell its the whole embodiment of the social liberal ideology. And I cant really imagine labour helping out the conservatives on this either, so how are they going to get it through parliament
Can someone that follows british politics better than me please explain this?

The only reason Labour wouldn't support this is because the Tories suggested it, but the leader of the Labour party is currently one of the weakest politicians this country has ever seen and well I imagine he may very well support to make it look like he is one of the good guys. I do find it amusing how a lot of the people on this site think that the Labour party wouldn't be supportive of such measures considering state interference and state control are two of their core tenets. Also the Tories won't need Labour if their whipping boys in the Lib Dems (who are in coalition with them) decided to do what Cameron tells them to do.

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

Regardless, I have a feeling Google DNS is going to become very popular in the UK very quickly.

No he isn't a conservative. That is the name of his party - it isn't his political position, which coincidentally is why he is currently haemorrhaging support to UKIP.

Tanis:
Didn't the UK suffer BOMBING RUNS from fascists like Cameron?

You'd think, after killing enough Nazis, that they'd have been wiped out.

But, I guess Cameron and his ilk show that Nazis are like cancer.
Just when you think you've beaten it...it comes back.

Why is he a Nazi? Surely Communist would be a better fit considering that their use of censorship was and is much more widespread than the Nazi party (who only briefly existed in Germany and a few other states for a very short period of time). The communists are still doing it today after all and even in the UK their are groups like Antifa who are extremely supportive of such measures.

I don't recall Labour winning the election. Odd.

This is parental incompetence masquerading a saving a childs' innocence. It is a parents duty to make sure thier child is aware of both the joys and dangers of growing up, not some greasy-haired man who had the political determination of a hagfish.

Also: From what I recall about the UK political system (aka, form living in the UK) This still has to get alot of passes before it is law. The plain cigarette packaging scheme and the staple price for a unit of alcohol also started off with this amount of fervor. Both are no longer coming into effect.

Oh Cameron you poor, dumb bastard. You've finally hit the trip wire people will not tolerate. 1st rule of politics: go after any civil liberties you want, but NEVER, EVER go after peoples' right to the porn...

Germanicus:

Why is he a Nazi? Surely Communist would be a better fit considering that their use of censorship was and is much more widespread than the Nazi party (who only briefly existed in Germany and a few other states for a very short period of time). The communists are still doing it today after all and even in the UK their are groups like Antifa who are extremely supportive of such measures.

Because communism is an economic model and "Nazi" is generally short-hand for fascist?

deonte9109:
There might be a way to make it hard on the gov't.
Step 1: Opt for access to porn sites
Step 2: Create a folder on your computer labeled with the name Porn, CP, or some other potentially incriminating title
Step 3: Fill created folder with several Gbs worth of videos of Rick Astley or other troll worthy videos (make sure the videos are super long and are loops)

When the FBI ,or whatever is the British equivalent, search your computer somebody has to sit down and watch all of the videos from start to finish.

The "Extreme Pornography" laws are so badly worded that they WILL find something on your computer or in your browser history that they can charge you with. And they will.

I'm going to be interested to see Microsoft(Bing) and Google's responses to this... Something tells me they aren't going to care very much.

One step forward, followed by several million steps back. The porn filter itself is actually not a bad idea. I'm not saying that ANY porn would fuck up a kid for life or anything, but...Well, there is some fucked up shit out there. And right now, unless the parents just stare over their children's shoulder EVERY TIME they use a PC or smartphone, there's not really a good way to stop them from finding that seriously fucked up shit. Filters like this are absolutely necessary for parents.

But that's the thing. FOR PARENTS. It should be THEIR responsibility to REQUEST the filter, not the other way around. Blocking ANYTHING from the general public in the name of "the children" is censorship, plain and simple. Their trying to parent an entire country.

Well if this is going to play out similar to the ban on alcohol in america then we are in for a lot of new porn on the rise!

This is likely a political distraction and a quick way to score points with social conservatives.

I doubt it will happen, the ISPs will likely kick up a fuss or just install the active choice system they were working on anyway.

But since we don't have things like the first amendment this really could happen.

What is more sinister is he is conflating this with child and illegal porn to silence opposition, and basically threatened google into doing something they already do.

I know it's against the TOU to self link, but I feel that this will save me a lot of typing:

This is about control and nothing more, this will escalate if it is allowed to go unchecked. Pornography today, then tomorrow bloggers and their "terroist" propaganda, unfavourable reviews of consumer products that infringe on intellectual property.

A slippery slope indeed.

Well, right hand, we've had a good run together.

So he's only just noticed that there are bad things on the internet? Did he just discover the internet? Does he think it's a new thing? Yes there's bad stuff on the internet, that's why you use easily found parental blocking software, or better yet, parents teach their children that they aren't old enough to look at it and block it.

Funny how better parenting and basic common sense is apparently never an option when things like this arise.

It's like letting a 5 year old walk through the streets by themselves, and they see a homeless man begging for change, or they nearly get mugged. Yes it's a shame there are bad things in the world, but the more sensible option is to accompany them and steer them around things rather than giving them freedom and then immediately wrestling it away.

Sixcess:

Caffeine_Bombed:
I'm all for blocking access to rape and child porn

I'm not.

Because I don't know what they mean by 'rape porn',and I doubt they know either.

Pretty much every 'rape porn' movie on the internet would be better described as badly-acted-and-unconvincingly-rough-for-the-first-few-minutes porn... but based on the way the government defined 'extreme' porn a few years ago I expect a vague and dangerously broad definition for 'rape' porn. If neither the government, nor the police, nor judges nor juries are exact in their definition then people will have their lives ruined when they go on the sex offender list and/or go to jail for possession of entirely consensual pornography.

Agreed.

Though I find it distasteful, personally, 'rape porn' is a scary sounding headline well picked for political weight, but in practice, it is 99% consenting adults performing BDSM scenes, their success with the audience reliant on a convincing illusion of it being non-consensual. It's an edgy, taboo fantasy affair, for the most part.

Real instances of it have been called out by both the victims and the ethical participants of the audience that consume such material, with video evidence ready for court. Commerical porno sites are a business and hosting illegal material is an express invitation to getting shut down, or worse, having their assests frozen and arrested for criminal conspirarcy. They police themselves.

PORN IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD! HIDE YO' WIFE, HIDE YO' KIDS!
They're probably going to slip some sneaky law in while this and the royal baby thing is distracting us. ;~;

It should be up to the households to get their own adult block with their internet. Most providers ask you when you set up with them! You probably shouldn't get Internet if you have young kids and are completely ignorant to the horrors online...

Banning illegal porn I definitely agree with. I don't see what this will achieve because I don't know what's so terrible about porn. ;_;

Seems to me that politicians seem to go after the things they think about or fear the most. For example, that U.S. Republican who railed against homosexuality and was then found soliciting a homosexual prostitute in an airport bathroom. I would not be the least bit surprised if those politicians supporting this bill were the most voracious consumers of the same pornography they claim to abhor so thoroughly.

There needs to be a memetic law for this sort of thing, like Godwin's Law.

OT: This idea is just dumb in every sense. Putting aside all the obvious censorship and infringement of personal liberty, it's just a very poor way of addressing the 'problem'. The amount of money and effort to put this filter into place (properly) would be much better spent in various education programs and law enforcement initiatives to address the problems directly. Cameron's justification of targeting illegal child or 'rape porn' is blatantly false, if this was the aim there would be no opt-out of the filter. This whole exercise is a transparent political ploy.

P.S. Still waiting for a politician that campaigns for the rights of singles to save us from the oppressive yoke of those evil children and families. I want a law that classifies un-immunized children as biological weapons!

wooty:
Bullshit. This whole thing is bullshit. Let the parents in this country do some parenting for a change.

Not possible, the parents this shit is aimed at are too busy picking up the latest edition of the Daily Mail, or sitting down the job center waiting their turn to sign on, where are they possibly going to find the spare time to raise the little welfare earners?

Irridium:
Isn't Cameron the guy who's butchering the UK's health system (NHS, I believe it's called) and who is also cutting funding for schools?

How the hell can he possibly say he's protecting the children with a straight face?

Except neither of those are true. The NHS hasn't suffered any budget cuts under this government (On the contrary actually) and the Education Secretary is working on reforming the school system to allow for more parent choice as well as removing money from bureaucrats and giving it directly to the schools themselves.

On this though Cameron is utterly and completely barking mad.

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

Regardless, I have a feeling Google DNS is going to become very popular in the UK very quickly.

US conservative =/= UK conservative. Also he's in coalition with the Lib Dems who are as far from being liberal and democratic as can possibly be (unless you agree with their every opinion).

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