Update: Mega Man Creator Kickstarts Mighty No. 9

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This has to be just THE biggest "Fuck You!" to Capcom ever. I mean this is just such a blatant, unapologetic rip-off of Mega Man. But noooOOOOOooooo, Capcom doesn't wanna do anything with that series. Keep on keepin' on, Kenji, show those rat bastards what they're missing out on (a loyal, dedicated, and very eager fanbase).

cheers to those who funded this amazing project!

PunkRex:

OT: If they don't release an art book i'm gonna have a bitch fit!

Pledge $40 to the kickstarter and you get a digital artbook alongside a digital copy of the game.
in addition to the soundtrack.

Pledging $120 nets you a printed artbook and a physical copy of the game.
As well as a T-shirt, an in-game skin, and beta access, in addition to the above.

Waaghpowa:
The moment they hit their stretch goal for Linux support is when I put money in on this.

I'm guessing by tomorrow morning, at the latest.

I just imagine the people at Shadow of the Eternals are trying to figure out a way to fit an android boy into their game for their 3rd attempt at funding about now.

Are any of their stretch goals involving the 3DS or PS3/4? Cause if its gonna be PC or Vita or...Android (which would be appropriate) then I'll just show myself out.

I loved the Met in there, too. Looks very interesting. They are definitely going for that same style big time and even the music reminds me of those games.

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KoudelkaMorgan:
I just imagine the people at Shadow of the Eternals are trying to figure out a way to fit an android boy into their game for their 3rd attempt at funding about now.

Are any of their stretch goals involving the 3DS or PS3/4? Cause if its gonna be PC or Vita or...Android (which would be appropriate) then I'll just show myself out.

Just checked out the kickstarter page, and it seems that the final stretch goal of $2.5 million will see the game on the PS3/360/WiiU.

at the rate its going, that may happen...

At the rate this is growing they're going to have enough to make like 10 sequels by the end of the month. :p

Innegativeion:

Pledging $120 nets you a printed artbook and a physical copy of the game.
As well as a T-shirt, an in-game skin, and beta access, in addition to the above.

Correction: you get a physical game box + manual and a download code, not a physical copy of the game itself.

KoudelkaMorgan:
Are any of their stretch goals involving the 3DS or PS3/4?

The $2.5 million stretch goal is for PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii U versions.

I just wish I could toss all my money to this...

and that I could show Capcom this video.

I hope it'll go up to 1.5 million at least and it's looking good; aready almost 1.2 million. New Game Plus would be a welcome mode for a big increase in replayability, something I value a lot in my games. I'm curious to learn what the unknown two stretch goals will be. Do they already have something planned for those or will they make something up if it comes to that, though?

BoredWalker:

Correction: you get a physical game box + manual and a download code, not a physical copy of the game itself.

Ah, pity.

I'm guessing it'll reach at least 1,750,000. Though, I would very much like a console version myself, so here's rooting for 2,500,000.

I just now discovered this:
http://pikdit.com/i/our-hope-lies-with-you-mighty-no-9/
All my feels ;_;.
EDIT: And now we just have to hope Crapcom doesn't sue to try and stop this.

Honestly, I am very skeptical on this one.

It is like the Thread I create which I wanted to discuss how we possible can seperate a "spirtual successor" videogame from a "clone" game.....

Even if they say it is a "spirtual successor" of the Videogame series Megaman....Capcom very simple can say it is a clone.

Or perhaps, Capcom make the decision to make a Megaman game and annihilate this game.

SweetShark:
Honestly, I am very skeptical on this one.

It is like the Thread I create which I wanted to discuss how we possible can seperate a "spirtual successor" videogame from a "clone" game.....

Even if they say it is a "spirtual successor" of the Videogame series Megaman....Capcom very simple can say it is a clone.

Or perhaps, Capcom make the decision to make a Megaman game and annihilate this game.

A clone implies that it's a copy of something that currently exists... Capcom killed Megaman, and this is it's rebirth!

You do make a good point about Capcom releasing a proper Megaman thing in response, thing is this will have caught them by complete surprise, any Megaman game they shamble together at this stage would have to release fast and would be a serious rush job. Not to mention I think that at this stage, due to Inafunes loud and passionate involvement with this, the hardcore have embraced Beck and anything Capcom tried to do at this point would be too little too late, I think.

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You surprise me Escapist, three pages in and nobody has whined that megamans reincarnation hasn't cast a post-mastectomy, gender realigned black lesbian amputee nun in the lead role? Aint that some shit.

Retrograde:

SweetShark:
Honestly, I am very skeptical on this one.

It is like the Thread I create which I wanted to discuss how we possible can seperate a "spirtual successor" videogame from a "clone" game.....

Even if they say it is a "spirtual successor" of the Videogame series Megaman....Capcom very simple can say it is a clone.

Or perhaps, Capcom make the decision to make a Megaman game and annihilate this game.

A clone implies that it's a copy of something that currently exists... Capcom killed Megaman, and this is it's rebirth!

You do make a good point about Capcom releasing a proper Megaman thing in response, thing is this will have caught them by complete surprise, any Megaman game they shamble together at this stage would have to release fast and would be a serious rush job. Not to mention I think that at this stage, due to Inafunes loud and passionate involvement with this, the hardcore have embraced Beck and anything Capcom tried to do at this point would be too little too late, I think.

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You surprise me Escapist, three pages in and nobody has whined that megamans reincarnation hasn't cast a post-mastectomy, gender realigned black lesbian amputee nun in the lead role? Aint that some shit.

Exept if Capcom [as always] pay a sh*t a lot of money to advertise their new Megaman game.
I will admit, Even if I don't like the policy Capcom have [for DLC and some really weird decisions lately], they know how to sell a game.

They will make the next Megaman game so fabulous and the most of the fans will no care neither for the first day DLC, neither for the 50+ DLC will come in the future, neither the new Complete version after few months.

And....I don't understand what do you mean with the last part of your post....
"black lesbian amputee nun in the lead role"? What?

I hope he's had a lawyer look over this, it's getting dangerously close to Megaman's design. I wouldn't put it past Capcom to sue.

Ukomba:
I hope he's had a lawyer look over this, it's getting dangerously close to Megaman's design. I wouldn't put it past Capcom to sue.

Sue for what? He hasn't used anything Capcom owns, Capcom own a load of megaman specific stuff, not the idea that a robot looks a lot like a boy. The ball is in Inafunes court here, he is the one that needs to fuck up to give them some ammo. It's would be like Kurt Russell suing Konami for likeness rights because Solid Snake is basically Snake Plisken, right on down to his name. In fact, Kurt Russell would have a far stronger case than Capcom do here.

You're never going to hear about Beck hunting mavericks or using a buster, but they don't own any of the larger concepts or ideas, just names, places, specifics, that kind of shit. And since Inafune came up with them in the first place he knows better than anyone actually alive what he can and can't get away from. That's the beautiful part in "ripping off" yourself.

Retrograde:

Ukomba:
I hope he's had a lawyer look over this, it's getting dangerously close to Megaman's design. I wouldn't put it past Capcom to sue.

Sue for what? He hasn't used anything Capcom owns, Capcom own a load of megaman specific stuff, not the idea that a robot looks a lot like a boy. The ball is in Inafunes court here, he is the one that needs to fuck up to give them some ammo. It's would be like Kurt Russell suing Konami for likeness rights because Solid Snake is basically Snake Plisken, right on down to his name. In fact, Kurt Russell would have a far stronger case than Capcom do here.

You're never going to hear about Beck hunting mavericks or using a buster, but they don't own any of the larger concepts or ideas, just names, places, specifics, that kind of shit. And since Inafune came up with them in the first place he knows better than anyone actually alive what he can and can't get away from. That's the beautiful part in "ripping off" yourself.

Sued for copyright infringement of course. He can't straight up copy Megamans design, obviously, so he has to tweak the character model enough to slip in past that. It isn't as simple as giving Megaman a mohawk and wheel chair. I just hope he had a copyright lawyer look over his final design and ensure it's dissimilar enough to avoid a possible lawsuit. :P

SweetShark:
And....I don't understand what do you mean with the last part of your post....
"black lesbian amputee nun in the lead role"? What?

Because minorities aren't portrayed enough in lead roles, you see. There's a semi-common thing around here that certain franchises need rebooting/redoing so that the lead character, instead of a white, straight male, can be replaced with some sort of minority. (See posts of: Link should be a girl next game, need more black characters, why does the ultimate goal have to be a hetero relationship (in Damsel in Distress situations) etc. etc.) He's mocking what he sees at the normal escapist trend.

OT: Not entirely sure what to think. I'm a huge Megaman fan, but surprisingly less so of the "original" series (I preferred the X, Legends, and Battle Network games). So while I'm glad to see Megaman's creator going back to what he wants and what he knows the audience wants, I'm not entirely sure it I want it.

Still gonna fund the hell out of it though.

EDIT:

Retrograde:

Sue for what? He hasn't used anything Capcom owns, Capcom own a load of megaman specific stuff, not the idea that a robot looks a lot like a boy. The ball is in Inafunes court here, he is the one that needs to fuck up to give them some ammo. It's would be like Kurt Russell suing Konami for likeness rights because Solid Snake is basically Snake Plisken, right on down to his name. In fact, Kurt Russell would have a far stronger case than Capcom do here.

You're never going to hear about Beck hunting mavericks or using a buster, but they don't own any of the larger concepts or ideas, just names, places, specifics, that kind of shit. And since Inafune came up with them in the first place he knows better than anyone actually alive what he can and can't get away from. That's the beautiful part in "ripping off" yourself.

While they don't own the "concept", if Mighty No. 9 gets too close to Megaman in terms of structure (8 stages with distinct bosses, very similar gameplay, enough character/enemy designs are similar) then Capcom has a case that Inafune's game could confuse the audience into thinking the game is affiliated with Megaman. Note how Dead Rising needed to note legally that they weren't affiliated with Dawn of the Dead, just for being about zombies and taking place in the mall? This game is closer to Megaman than that one was to Dawn of the Dead.

And the lawsuit doesn't need to go through. If Capcom can make a strong enough case to at least get a judge to look at it, it doesn't matter that they can't win in the long run. They can either drag it out long enough to bankrupt Inafune with court fees, or force him to settle and stop making the game.

I think that the two ARE legally distinct at the moment, and that Inafune is smart enough to keep it that way, but if the game continues in the way that it appears, Capcom's lawyers may decide that they can stop this anyway.

Ukomba:

Sued for copyright infringement of course. He can't straight up copy Megamans design, obviously, so he has to tweak the character model enough to slip in past that. It isn't as simple as giving Megaman a mohawk and wheel chair. I just hope he had a copyright lawyer look over his final design and ensure it's dissimilar enough to avoid a possible lawsuit. :P

You're missing my point man... If I may ask, what uni did you read law at?

Please stop arguing this. Relax, there won't be a case, as things stand Capcom won't be suing anybody, and if you have Megaman a mohawk and a wheelchair and called him megaman you'd be fucked with a hammer. If you gave megaman a mohawk and a wheelchair and called him Alphadrone I9, you'd be right as rain legally speaking.

Retrograde:

Ukomba:

Sued for copyright infringement of course. He can't straight up copy Megamans design, obviously, so he has to tweak the character model enough to slip in past that. It isn't as simple as giving Megaman a mohawk and wheel chair. I just hope he had a copyright lawyer look over his final design and ensure it's dissimilar enough to avoid a possible lawsuit. :P

You're missing my point man... If I may ask, what uni did you read law at?

Please stop arguing this. Relax, there won't be a case, as things stand Capcom won't be suing anybody, and if you have Megaman a mohawk and a wheelchair and called him megaman you'd be fucked with a hammer. If you gave megaman a mohawk and a wheelchair and called him Alphadrone I9, you'd be right as rain legally speaking.

No worries there, you're attitude has put me off this whole thread.

MrPhyntch:

While they don't own the "concept", if Mighty No. 9 gets too close to Megaman in terms of structure (8 stages with distinct bosses, very similar gameplay, enough character/enemy designs are similar) then Capcom has a case that Inafune's game could confuse the audience into thinking the game is affiliated with Megaman. Note how Dead Rising needed to note legally that they weren't affiliated with Dawn of the Dead, just for being about zombies and taking place in the mall? This game is closer to Megaman than that one was to Dawn of the Dead.

And the lawsuit doesn't need to go through. If Capcom can make a strong enough case to at least get a judge to look at it, it doesn't matter that they can't win in the long run. They can either drag it out long enough to bankrupt Inafune with court fees, or force him to settle and stop making the game.

I think that the two ARE legally distinct at the moment, and that Inafune is smart enough to keep it that way, but if the game continues in the way that it appears, Capcom's lawyers may decide that they can stop this anyway.

No, they couldn't. Parts of what you're talking about is called copyright dilution, and other parts are called copyright infrigement. They aren't using anything specifically owned by Capcom and I can only assume they're smart enough to continue, so that covers infringment.

Dilution, on the other hand IS a bit more vague, but again they've covered themselves here because they're being very obvious that this game isn't called Megaman your honour, it's called Mighty No 9, and as you can see Capcoms logo or branding isn't being affecting in any way by the existence of Comcept or the Mighty No 9 brand.

So why don't we see shit like this all the time if it's legal? Well because in 99% of cases the market would reject it and everyone knows it. If someone tweaked similar knobs to give us a resident evil knock off it would be allowed to exist, it would just be seen by us as a knock off piece of shit and disregarded as such.

But it already happens in gaming, moreso today more than ever. How many 'me-toos' do we see all over the place copying off one another? Do you prefer battlefield or cod? Dantes Inferno or God Of War?

They're different enough and that's the point.

Seriously, nobody is getting sued.

Ukomba:

No worries there, you're attitude has put me off this whole thread.

Don't be like that man, I didn't mean any hurt feels, but for some reason on some topics people feel at complete liberty to throw around a few words and actually argue for things from positions of total ignorance. Which, in the fullest respect, I assume sums up your knowledge of IP law?

Retrograde:

What you're saying is that any RPG with a world map and a turn based battle system owes money to FF (or whoever came up with that shit).

Seriously, nobody is getting sued.

No, I'm saying that the RPG I'm making featuring the 4 heroes of righteousness, one being a knight in red armor, one a magician with a black robe and straw hat so big you can't see his face, the priest with a white hooded robe with red trim, and the thief who becomes a ninja later on, where you start by rescuing a kidnapped princess and end up saving the world from a complex time paradox by defeating 4 elemental guardians and then their master who was really the first boss is going to get more than a letter of inquiry from Squeenix.

It's not that it'll get shut down because it's a shooter/platformer featuring robots. I (and everyone else here) are saying that there's cause for concern due to it appearing from the surface to be little more than a reskin. A blue robot who adapts his powers from his defeated enemies, assisted (in some undescribed way) by a pink female robot, who travels around fighting his 8 brothers who went berserk, by traversing their minion-filled headquarters to finish in a one-on-one battle with said brother. The concepts are eerily similar.

And I don't know if you're a lawyer yourself, but let me explain something about those of us who aren't: we see stuff like this happen all the time. And it's not as easy for us to distiguish between cases. Let's look at Dead rising again, with the disclaimers all over it about its relation to Dawn of the Dead. How about the first Final Fantasy itself, which was almost sued by the Dungeons and Dragons people until some enemies got redesigned. How about Scrolls, which WAS sued because it used a word in its name that was the same word as used elsewhere. No similar concept, nothing of the sort, Mojang actually had to see a judge over a single word title and nothing else. Those of us who aren't lawyers don't see how Scrolls can get sued over a single word, yet this game that rips the entire bloody concept can go untouched.

And finally, no one is saying it's getting sued. All we're saying is there's mild nervousness about the similarity of the concept. And that we're hoping/praying that Capcom doesn't decide to send out the lawyers.

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Aaaaaaannnd.... all bitterness is gone. Awwwwww.....

MrPhyntch:

And I don't know if you're a lawyer yourself, but let me explain something about those of us who aren't: we see stuff like this happen all the time. And it's not as easy for us to distiguish between cases. Let's look at Dead rising again, with the disclaimers all over it about its relation to Dawn of the Dead. How about the first Final Fantasy itself, which was almost sued by the Dungeons and Dragons people until some enemies got redesigned. How about Scrolls, which WAS sued because it used a word in its name that was the same word as used elsewhere. No similar concept, nothing of the sort, Mojang actually had to see a judge over a single word title and nothing else. Those of us who aren't lawyers don't see how Scrolls can get sued over a single word, yet this game that rips the entire bloody concept can go untouched.

And such a position is 100% understandable. I know jack shit about engines, and you will never see me engage someone in argument about engines of any kind, make sweeping comments about engines of any kind, and stick my heels in the ground about a point made about engines of any kind.

If you don't understand why "Scrolls" would catch heat from a company who owns a series called "The Elder Scrolls", and don't understand the subtelties between concepts and specifics in terms of ownership, that's completely fine and I'm not having a go or insulting anybody.

But you probably shouldn't spend your time talking about things you acknowledge you don't understand and realise that clicking away and moving on is probably a more reasonable course of action than getting into conversations about stuff you know little about.

I'm not in the legal profession , but I do know an IP specialist as it happens and I wouldn't consider myself a laymen. If I did we wouldn't be having this chat.

Retrograde:

And such a position is 100% understandable. I know jack shit about engines, and you will never see me engage someone in argument about engines of any kind, make sweeping comments about engines of any kind, and stick my heels in the ground about a point made about engines of any kind.

If you don't understand why "Scrolls" would catch heat from a company who owns a series called "The Elder Scrolls", and don't understand the subtelties between concepts and specifics in terms of ownership, that's completely fine and I'm not having a go or insulting anybody.

But you probably shouldn't spend your time talking about things you acknowledge you don't understand and realise that clicking away and moving on is probably a more reasonable course of action than getting into conversations about stuff you know nothing about.

And if you took your car in for an oil change and get charged for a power window fluid replacement would you accept it? I mean, obviously power steering needs fluid, as well as several other things you might not realize, so is it beyond the realm of possibility that power windows need fluid? So either you take the charge and are obviously taken advantage of, or you would, in fact, argue in an area in which you have already claimed to have no knowledge in.

No, we all have to have basic knowledge of things in our lives, as you would with your car. I am big into politics, and was on my way to law school until money issues happened. So I do have more than a passing interest in law. Maybe I don't have the "understanding" of a proper lawyer, but that doesn't mean it's beyond my means to debate an area of which I have great interest. That would be like saying that I shouldn't debate about video games. I don't understand their workings or what goes into designing them, but I have enough interest in them that it is, in fact, relevant.

So let me ask, how do you have such a great knowledge of law? As you asked the other poster above, where did you study it? Because here's the thing; you have not said one lick about why it doesn't work. All you've said is no one is gonna get sued, and that us little people wouldn't understand. Don't just stand there and "tut tut" at us, help us understand. Tell us the difference in Final Fantasy almost getting sued by D&D and this. Tell us how patent trolls that are otherwise worth 10 grand a year can get hundreds of thousands off big companies for patents they don't even own, and then this isn't a cause for concern to those of us who want to get excited over a Megaman reskin.

And none of that "no hurt feels bro" either. To quote a particular soldier, "Every time you say 'with all due respect' it sounds like 'kiss my ass'".

And finally, because it seems relevant.

This looks pretty interesting, I gave $40; so I get a copy of the game, a soundtrack and an artbook. I thought about giving more, but I wasn't sure if gamebox, manual, and character re-skin was worth 20 extra dollars to me. I might consider increasing my pledge if I change my mind later but for now $40 is enough for me.

Either way I like Mega Man and think Inafune is a pretty good designer so I have high hopes for this.

If Capcom does sue, it'll do it after its funded (well, when the time ends on funding window, this thing is probably going to easily hit 2 to 2.5 mil by the time its done), which means that both will there not be a game, but also everyone KSing it will lose out on their investment....I've already KS'd it, but if Capcom does that, then well, they're going to have a lot of angry people that may just start a class-action lawsuit against them....we shall see.

This is so beautiful.

I hope this is a great success, then maybe we can get a Viewtiful Joe 3 and/or a God Hand 2.

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updates galore is not The Escapist's usual M.O., is this a Capcom slapfest special?

Holy shit... this seems to be needed now...

Wait... maybe that wasnt the right one...

Also, to all the talk about a possible lawsuit from Capcom (which I do feel could very well happen), if they do sue, and Inafune is forced to stop production, Inafune will most likely be seen as an videogame martyr, and Capcom as the ones who sentanced him to "die"...

While I feel confident that Capcom wouldn't attempt to take down Might No. 9 due to the fact that they have shaky legal ground to stand on, I do believe that if they ever attempted it it would be a catastrophic pr disaster. If the possibility of loosing out on the lawsuit isn't enough to stop Capcom from going through with it, it would be the incredible backlash they'd get for even attempting it. It would be a P.R. disaster the likes of which is rarely seen in gaming.

*sees the "not Rush" concept art, and drools...*
Like a freaking boss.

See, guys? This is precisely what the AAA game industry is lacking (and likely will never have): charm, support for their fans who support them, and love for what they do. I can't not back this.
Funny, I think the extra millions required for the console releases would be the actual fees required to publish on those platforms LOLOLOLOL.

Innegativeion:

Reyold:
This looks great. Hope it does well.

I kinda wonder if Capcom will do anything about this, since it's practically Mega Man with the serial numbers filed off. Considering it's by the guy who made the franchise...

They don't really have a leg to stand on from an objective standpoint.

I mean Astro Boy was rocking pop culture long before Mega Man.

On the other hand, they undoubtedly have a legion of lawyers willing to clog up the judicial system so they can stroke themselves over an artist DARING to try and retain one of his ideas.

I fucking love MegaMan, and with Capcom being a collective shithead with the MegaMan franchise, I'm SO ready to back this.

This is what actually happened with the Fire Emblem series. Series creator Shouzou Kaga had the first five Fire Emblem games under his belt before leaving Nintendo to pursue Tear Ring Saga (which before, was actually called Emblem Saga):

Fire Emblem: Thracia 776:
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TearRing Saga:
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Except here Nintendo actually did file claims against Enterbrain for it. It actually makes me wish Kaga would do a project like this, just so I could see how the series could've gone under his direction.

kiri2tsubasa:

Steven Bogos:

kiri2tsubasa:
To be honest, looks like shit. I will not support this in any way shape or form.

Sorry. I felt the need to ask, why??? What makes you so angry about this Kickstarter? I'm just so curious as to how a game can make someone so mad.

It is the same issue I have when these creative individuals are not reigned in. The result is something I do not like (See Psyconauaghts and Brutal Legends).

Counterpoint: Project Eternity/Tides of Numenara/Wasteland 2.

Also, if your problem is with Psychonauts and Brutal Legend, it's probably more of a Tim Schaeffer problem you have. What do you not like, the design?

MrPhyntch:
Sigh.

Your analogy is utterly irrelevant, you admit you don't know what you're talking about and keep on anyway, you're being truculent here and I don't know why other than that people on the internet don't like being told they're wrong? You'll admit a lack of knowledge yourself and when I point out that you yourself admit you don't know what you're talking about I'm the bad guy and get improperly used quotes about how I'm a bellend thrown my way?

Yeah, this isn't the good kind of argument, I'm done here.

Feel free to argue with someone else about IP law, economic histories, nuclear fission or something else just as nuanced and your knowledge of them is just as limited to a two minute wiki.

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