"Pirating" a game that was never released in your country/language

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I've never really thought about that. I'd like to play the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni games... even if they are incredibly shitty (which I don't know). Maybe some .Hack. I'm aware that those suck but I'd still like to give them a try.

They aren't released over here but I guess Piracy is Piracy. I'd probably download them anyways given the chance; it's unfair that they aren't available here, yet we could still get in trouble for trying to download them. I guess maybe I'm just a huge baby.

kiri2tsubasa:
Why not import the game? You could do that with ebay, amazon, or anime/gaming conventions.

The only problem I have with that: If I import a Japanese game, that doesn't mean I can understand what they're saying. A lot of Pirated games come with fan patches to translate stuff, so that's more incentive to pirate the game instead.

Angry Juju:

KiloFox:
*snip*

It's morally neutral and illegal to pirate these games.. however let's look at this more logically..

It's a fire emblem game! why would you NOT pirate it if you couldn't get it?!

well as i mentioned in the first post i AM planning on getting the ROM and patching with the translation anyway. it's a Fire Emblem game after all and i've played just about every one i could get my hands on (still need a Wii to play Radiant Dawn though. ONLY reason i'll buy that console) i've even downloaded ROMs of the 2 GBA games (i already owned the physical copies) just so i could play Fan-made hacks of the game with completely different storylines (still waiting on the Tactics Universe hack to get completed, and there was another one who's name i can't remember that was a 1-map game. involving a complete-cast showdown of Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword versus Fire Emblem Sacred Stones.)

but i was only posting to see what other people thought of it. especially given that i've seen a few of the Escapist video's here lately deal with piracy issues. but those issues only see to be centered around games that are released in your region, in your language, that you can buy. not a game such as this that isn't in your region or language.

Hmm. Interesting problem.

I confess the one question that I get with this issue personally is about the translation patches.

Importing games isn't easy, but it's doable.

However, if you can't understand the language, it's quite a bit less enjoyable.

And that's where the real problem seems to arise, because while getting the game through legal means is possible, translating it without doing several things which are not, frequently does not.

(Even if you could use the original game disk, and a real console somehow, you'd still have to mod the console to make such a hack possible.)

Here's another interesting question though:

How about games that have never been released at all? Anywhere?

Now, obviously, someone has to have leaked the code for it at some point, because otherwise how could you be playing it.

But what do you make of playing a game that was made, but never released anywhere in the world?

(The only example I can actually think of is Star Fox 2 - Roms of that are all over the internet. But it's of a late beta build, and the final game was never released...

Clearly someone at Nintendo wanted people to play it though, because how else would an unreleased game end up online?)

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Piracy is eeeeeeevil, man. That's why I'm sure nobody on this thread has watched a music video on youtube or sung "Happy Birthday To You" in a public location without paying royalties.

Yes, watching a music video on YouTube is of course the same thing as grabbing a ripped ROM of a game that you did not pay for and playing it.

Unless you want to tell me that Fair Use applies to video game ROMs?

PIRACY BE OK. LAWS/GOVERNMENTS/GREEDY CAPITALISTIC PIGS MAN. WE GOTTA TAKE EM DOWWWWWWWN.

It's all equally illegal. Fair use probably does not cover your average youtube music video, which is why they get taken down all the time. The reason why restaurants don't sing "Happy Birthday To You" is that commercial use or public performance of that song without license is also technically copyright infringement.

Kahunaburger:

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Piracy is eeeeeeevil, man. That's why I'm sure nobody on this thread has watched a music video on youtube or sung "Happy Birthday To You" in a public location without paying royalties.

Yes, watching a music video on YouTube is of course the same thing as grabbing a ripped ROM of a game that you did not pay for and playing it.

Unless you want to tell me that Fair Use applies to video game ROMs?

PIRACY BE OK. LAWS/GOVERNMENTS/GREEDY CAPITALISTIC PIGS MAN. WE GOTTA TAKE EM DOWWWWWWWN.

It's all equally illegal. Fair use probably does not cover your average youtube music video, which is why they get taken down all the time. The reason why restaurants don't sing "Happy Birthday To You" is that commercial use or public performance of that song without license is also technically copyright infringement.

Going five over the speed limit is also technically illegal.
Holding your phone to your ear in California is also technically illegal.

Are those the same as driving drunk, which is also technically illegal?

So, changing point of focus to something different, and attacking that instead. There's a name for that, I think. Something to do with straw....

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:

LiquidSolstice:

Yes, watching a music video on YouTube is of course the same thing as grabbing a ripped ROM of a game that you did not pay for and playing it.

Unless you want to tell me that Fair Use applies to video game ROMs?

PIRACY BE OK. LAWS/GOVERNMENTS/GREEDY CAPITALISTIC PIGS MAN. WE GOTTA TAKE EM DOWWWWWWWN.

It's all equally illegal. Fair use probably does not cover your average youtube music video, which is why they get taken down all the time. The reason why restaurants don't sing "Happy Birthday To You" is that commercial use or public performance of that song without license is also technically copyright infringement.

Going five over the speed limit is also technically illegal.
Holding your phone to your ear in California is also technically illegal.

Are those the same as driving drunk, which is also technically illegal?

So, changing point of focus to something different, and attacking that instead. There's a name for that, I think. Something to do with straw....

Changing focus? Please re-read my original post.

Kahunaburger:
Changing focus? Please re-read my original post.

I love when people say "please read what I said" when they don't actually read what they have said. Your original post? You mean, in a thread concerning the piracy of a video game ROM, in which the topic has nothing to do with the Birthday Song or Youtube music videos, where you said this?

Kahunaburger:
Piracy is eeeeeeevil, man. That's why I'm sure nobody on this thread has watched a music video on youtube or sung "Happy Birthday To You" in a public location without paying royalties.

Yes? What am I supposed to be looking at? Oh, that's right. Nothing. Because you reduced the topic of the thread to a different stance and attacked that instead. Meet your new buddy!

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LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Changing focus? Please re-read my original post.

I love when people say "please read what I said" when they don't actually read what they have said. Your original post? You mean, in a thread concerning the piracy of a video game ROM, in which the topic has nothing to do with the Birthday Song or Youtube music videos, where you said this?

Kahunaburger:
Piracy is eeeeeeevil, man. That's why I'm sure nobody on this thread has watched a music video on youtube or sung "Happy Birthday To You" in a public location without paying royalties.

Yes? What am I supposed to be looking at? Oh, that's right. Nothing. Because you reduced the topic of the thread to a different stance and attacked that instead. Meet your new buddy!

Intellectual property is intellectual property. I'm surprised this is such a tricky concept for you.

Kahunaburger:
Intellectual property is intellectual property. I'm surprised this is such a tricky concept for you.

A strawman is a strawman. I'm surprised that even a picture wasn't enough to clarify this to you.

Maybe I need to explain, before you do the usual forum response of "omg troll". If we were arguing about piracy as a whole, I'd lend what you say to have credence. Otherwise, what you are doing is a picture perfect definition of attacking a strawman.

LilithSlave:

cynicthnkr:
Just because someone is unwilling (or too lazy) to sell you something doesn't mean you got the right to steal it from him.

Do you have any personal thoughts of you own? Or do you only like to repeat the idiocy that goverments and corporations spoon feed you on a daily basis?

Piracy is not stealing. And the claim that it is, has got to be one of the most ridiculous and cheezy slogans ever put out by the corporate media. It's on par with those drug PSAs, and they think we're so stupid that we can be brainwashed by pathetic claims like this.

That some people actually believe, and even parrot this ridiculous claim they make, similar to how some people actually believe Glenn Beck, show how dangerous the corporate media is. And how desperately it needs to be deconstructed and destroyed.

Calm down! I wasn't saying piracy is stealing. I just meant that justifying piracy on the basis of reason that it wasn't released in my territory is similar to justifying stealing only if someone isn't selling something to me.

Simile or metaphor is the comparison of two completely different things not the same things.

On a second note I don't think any govt. or corporation would have said that piracy is same as stealing. Because if they completely replace piracy and copyright infringement with stealing laws most of corporation will become a victim of it too. And pirates job will become a lot easier with replacing copyright infringement fine with that of stealing.
As there would be no calculation of how many copies they would have sold.

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Intellectual property is intellectual property. I'm surprised this is such a tricky concept for you.

A strawman is a strawman. I'm surprised that even a picture wasn't enough to clarify this to you.

Maybe I need to explain, before you do the usual forum response of "omg troll". If we were arguing about piracy as a whole, I'd lend what you say to have credence. Otherwise, what you are doing is a picture perfect definition of attacking a strawman.

No, I'm pointing out that basically everyone in this country violates intellectual property on a pretty regular basis, and implying that perhaps some people (particularly on this site, for some reason) respond to software piracy as if this were not the case.

Kahunaburger:

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Intellectual property is intellectual property. I'm surprised this is such a tricky concept for you.

A strawman is a strawman. I'm surprised that even a picture wasn't enough to clarify this to you.

Maybe I need to explain, before you do the usual forum response of "omg troll". If we were arguing about piracy as a whole, I'd lend what you say to have credence. Otherwise, what you are doing is a picture perfect definition of attacking a strawman.

No, I'm pointing out that basically everyone in this country violates intellectual property on a pretty regular basis, and implying that perhaps some people (particularly on this site, for some reason) respond to software piracy as if this were not the case.

...I don't get why you don't think you're attacking a strawman. It doesn't matter what everyone in this country does (not that it makes it right), we're talking about whether or not in this instance, concerning a regionally distributed (or undistributed, as it were) game, it's justified/legal.

As clever as you might have thought you were being, that logic isn't required in this thread.

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:
Piracy is eeeeeeevil, man. That's why I'm sure nobody on this thread has watched a music video on youtube or sung "Happy Birthday To You" in a public location without paying royalties.

Yes, watching a music video on YouTube is of course the same thing as grabbing a ripped ROM of a game that you did not pay for and playing it.

Legally? Why, yes. Yes, it is. It's exactly the same thing, the only thing that differs is the scale.

And if we wanna talk about scale we can forget games, too, because they are also on the lower end, if we compare the price to other kinds of software.

But, bringing in the legal/moral argument, yes, watching a vid on YouTube is the same.

lacktheknack:
"We're sorry, this product is not available outside of Japan."

Does it? Weird, well... then you are fucked i guess... unless you might go to such extremes as to actually google "import japan videogame", http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-3uvf.html there, they sell it to US. Out of stock, well... you either pirate it and be a duchebag towards the franchise you love or wait i guess.

There is no way you won't be able to get this game if you really want (without going to jp obv).

Vegosiux:
Legally? Why, yes. Yes, it is. It's exactly the same thing, the only thing that differs is the scale.

And if we wanna talk about scale we can forget games, too, because they are also on the lower end, if we compare the price to other kinds of software.

But, bringing in the legal/moral argument, yes, watching a vid on YouTube is the same.

Kahunaburger:
It's all equally illegal. Fair use probably does not cover your average youtube music video, which is why they get taken down all the time.

Yeah, of course it's the same. Unless, you know, you happen to actually know something about law. Then you would realize what protects youtube doesn't work at all for pirated videogames. It might be a technicality, but they were up because youtube didn't knew they were violating copyright, as soon as they are aware of that, they are taken down, or so the laywers would say; for a pirated ROM might be legal if you are stupid enough not to know is illegal, but as soon as you realize (and if you breath that should be pretty soon) then you must stop using it, then again i am no laywer, so even that might be wrong because you are not the host like youtube is, you are the user, don't know if that changes things but it must.

Now don't get me wrong, I have pirated before, and I will pirate again, but when do I am fully aware that I am being a douchebad that's hurting the developer. That argument is BS and can't stand if you have just a little knowledge of the law.

I guess that is my whole point in this thread, you can get the game if you want and if you pirate it, fine, just stay aware that you are shitting on the developers of you ohh so loved game, if that is acceptable, then go ahead and pirate it.

Sansha:
For fuck's sake.
Pirating is stealing. There's no grey area, excuses or whatever else. You took something you should have paid for in the most convoluted way possible, with whatever excuses as 'I wouldn't have paid for it anyway' and 'It's not stealing because it's not a physical item', without paying.

The bottom line is you stole something. What part of this confuses you?

Dude, piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing. At least get your definitions right.

CrystalShadow:
How about games that have never been released at all? Anywhere?

For me is still very easy to answer, same as a released game pirating.

If the game is done by a big company then it's copyrighted before launch, this is just a regular pirate buisness and happens here and there (Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, Ghostbusters, starfox 2). From a legal PoV it's irrelevant if it was released or not, from a moral one you are still taking a copy of the work of another person, a work you consider valuable and they too, without giving a dime, so for me it's the same.

And and the translation point is moot, to apply the english patch you don't require the game to be pirated, you just require the game to be a ROM in your computer.

Edit: Anyway, OP probably decided just to pirate the game, that's what i would have done when i was the average age demographics of this forum, so... this thread is kinda pointless now :P

Da Orky Man:

Dude, piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing. At least get your definitions right.

Piracy = daisy chaining dvd burners and copying an copyrighted material, then selling the copies.

OMFG! If you google piracy right now the first entry is wikipedia's google cache saying:

"Piracy is an act of being mexican"

So i guess i am fucked anyway. lolz, amazing. :D

Tanakh:
OMFG! If you google piracy right now the first entry is wikipedia's google cache saying:

"Piracy is an act of being mexican"

So i guess i am fucked anyway. lolz, amazing. :D

That pretty much answers the thread. If you aren't mexican you don't need to worry.

In this age of the internet, imports etc.. is it really fair to say its impossible to get something not released in your region?

Pirates get all worked up when the antipirates refer to the act as "stealing", as its not quite the right definition of the word, also the government decided to release those retarded "if you pirate movies you may as well be a murderer, you filthy rotten handbag snatching thief you" PSA's which infest our dvds and movies.

It may not be technically stealing, but its still a crime and its a dickish thing to do as well, bitch about the greedy corporations all you want, but they still pay their workers for their time, when you pirate a game you say "fuck you Mr dev who put long long hours into this game, I want the fruits of you labor, but I'd rather not pay for it".

OP: If you love the series that much, make the effort, chuck some cash the devs way, then crack it/patch it/learn japanese to play it.

I understand there's costs involved in making a game/movie/tv show available for another language.

However, as I've said, if much of UK/US TV was available as an itunes download, a day after showing, for a reasonable price, 'piracy' of these shows would be slashed overnight.

As has been said many times before, there's a sizable portion of 'pirates' who aren't doing it so they don't have to pay, they're doing it out of convenience, or because it's the only option to view it.

I admit to downloading TV shows from my own country sometimes, despite them being available free on the maker's sites, because I know I might not get around to watching them before they're removed, and the streaming leaves something to be desired at times.

Considering they're available to watch for nothing, with no ads, on the BBC iPlayer, am I robbing anyone?

Really I hope big business will catch up soon, and realise, a few hundred quid adding subtitles means they can release things for download in a whole new market.

Da Orky Man:

Sansha:
For fuck's sake.
Pirating is stealing. There's no grey area, excuses or whatever else. You took something you should have paid for in the most convoluted way possible, with whatever excuses as 'I wouldn't have paid for it anyway' and 'It's not stealing because it's not a physical item', without paying.

The bottom line is you stole something. What part of this confuses you?

Dude, piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing. At least get your definitions right.

Making a deliberate effort to acquire for free something you should be paying for sounds like stealing to me.

Unfortunately I couldn't get in before the whole "Piracy is Stealing, lulz" crowd. As pointed out before, piracy is copyright infringement. When you steal something, you don't magically duplicate the item you stole, causing both you and the victim of your thievery to enjoy the last single piece of bacon on the plate. If you stole it, you would enjoy it, not him.

All that aside, pirating the game because Nintendo doesn't think there's a market for it in the US is still illegal. Just import the game, make a ROM of it, then apply the patch to it. Or hell, get ballzy and just apply the patch directly to your imported game! Show Nintendo who's boss (it's Tony Danza, BTW).

Sansha:

Da Orky Man:

Sansha:
For fuck's sake.
Pirating is stealing. There's no grey area, excuses or whatever else. You took something you should have paid for in the most convoluted way possible, with whatever excuses as 'I wouldn't have paid for it anyway' and 'It's not stealing because it's not a physical item', without paying.

The bottom line is you stole something. What part of this confuses you?

Dude, piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing. At least get your definitions right.

Making a deliberate effort to acquire for free something you should be paying for sounds like stealing to me.

Best not to say its stealing, as pirates seem to think an incorrect definition of a crime excuses the crime itself, best to stick with the Pirating software is a dick move and illegal.

It fucks me off when pirates try to justify themselves with "well I wouldn't have payed for it anyway" so they haven't lost a sale, If you aren't going to pay for something, then don't take it, what right do you have to others hard work.

Sansha:

Making a deliberate effort to acquire for free something you should be paying for sounds like stealing to me.

Well, if I wanted to steal a game I'd break into the store and steal a copy...and the kicker would be, such a game would be stolen, but a genuine non-pirated copy.

Vegosiux:

Sansha:

Making a deliberate effort to acquire for free something you should be paying for sounds like stealing to me.

Well, if I wanted to steal a game I'd break into the store and steal a copy...and the kicker would be, such a game would be stolen, but a genuine non-pirated copy.

But put that to a reasonable person.

You "See I've got this game, I didn't pay for it and I broke the law"

Them "Sounds like you stole it to me"

You "But I didn't, you see technically I broke a different Law, its not theft cause I didn't deprive them of the original, duh get your definitions right"

Them "So you still broke the law, took something without paying for it, the store, developer and publisher received no money for their hard work"

You "......."

coolbeans21:

But put that to a reasonable person.

You "See I've got this game, I didn't pay for it and I broke the law"

Them "Sounds like you stole it to me"

You "But I didn't, you see technically I broke a different Law, its not theft cause I didn't deprive them of the original, duh get your definitions right"

Them "So you still broke the law, took something without paying for it, the store, developer and publisher received no money for their hard work"

I don't consider "them" to be a reasonable person in that case, a reasonable person would first ask what exactly I did. Ergo, did I steal a copy or pirate a copy. After all, if anyone wants to charge me with anything, they need to charge me with something they can nail me for, and if they charge me with a felony I did not commit as opposed to the one I did, well, that's not my problem.

Or in other words, if the OP gets their hands on a copy of the game from Japan and then downloads a ROM, they've done nothing wrong, even if the downloaded game is "technically" not legal.

But then again, are we buying games or licenses to play them? It's either one or the other and I'm sick of people changing their stance on that because it's convenient for them.

I think it's illegal but morally sound at the same time.

Vegosiux:

coolbeans21:

But put that to a reasonable person.

You "See I've got this game, I didn't pay for it and I broke the law"

Them "Sounds like you stole it to me"

You "But I didn't, you see technically I broke a different Law, its not theft cause I didn't deprive them of the original, duh get your definitions right"

Them "So you still broke the law, took something without paying for it, the store, developer and publisher received no money for their hard work"

I don't consider "them" to be a reasonable person in that case, a reasonable person would first ask what exactly I did. Ergo, did I steal a copy or pirate a copy. After all, if anyone wants to charge me with anything, they need to charge me with something they can nail me for, and if they charge me with a felony I did not commit as opposed to the one I did, well, that's not my problem.

Or in other words, if the OP gets their hands on a copy of the game from Japan and then downloads a ROM, they've done nothing wrong, even if the downloaded game is "technically" not legal.

But then again, are we buying games or licenses to play them? It's either one or the other and I'm sick of people changing their stance on that because it's convenient for them.

Lets put that to my wife

She has no great legal knowledge, she's fairly ethical and very reasonable. As far as she's concerned If I pirate something I've stolen it, If I say "no your wrong its not theft as I have not deprived the owner of it, its copyright infringement, which is different!"

She'll tell me not to be a prick and stop breaking the law.

I say "But your not being reasonable"

She'll say "You're taking something without paying and depriving the creators of money, what gives you the right to their work without paying"

And she'll cut off sex for a week cause I called her unreasonable

Course she's not law enforcement, they will know the correct charge to lay.

The important thing is the OP was asking if it was OK to Steal/Pirate/Infringe the copyright on a game, just because it wasn't available in his country, ignoring the possibility of importing or ordering the game over the internet, Thats illegal, also why would he do it to a series he enjoys, surely he wants to support them.

I don't know what the legal status is of downloading a ROM for a game they have purchased, I imagine its a violation of the EULA, not that I think anyone one would bother with a prosecution.

I think we've been buying licenses to play games for quite a while now, ownership of the data vanished a while back.

IWCAS:
I've never really thought about that. I'd like to play the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni games...

i thought there was a translated download verson over at mangagamer that would work.

KiloFox:
The Fire Emblem game (and i love Fire Emblem), Fire Emblem: New Mysteries of the Emblem -Heroes of Light and Shadow- (phew long name) was released in Japan a year or two back. and has basically been denied a US release. I did a little looking (because the game sounds awesome but i'm not here to pimp a FE game)and found a Fan-Made Translation patch underway and pretty much almost complete (about 75% there it seems) now i'm just curious as to what you guys think.
1) the game was never, and foreseeably WILL never be released anywhere but Japan
2) i dunno about you, but i know *I* can't read Japanese. and i'm pretty sure many more fans of such games count as well
3) for a translation patch to work you HAVE to have a ROM copy (technically pirated) and an Emulator (at least to my knowledge... of course you can use a Flash Cart instead of an emulator but it's still basically the same)

now here's the discussion value
1) is it right, wrong, or morally grey to "pirate" such a game (note this encompasses ALL JP-only games, or on the flip side if you're Japanese, US/EU-only games)
and
2) from a more legal viewpoint, CAN you even pirate such a game? it was never released in your area, or language. and the only translation is from a fan patch that HAS to have a ROM to function.

i know that personally, i'm downloading the ROM and translation as soon as it's finished. but if Nintendo happens to finally decide after so long to release it in my area, i will GLADLY part with money to buy it legitimately.

I really see nothing wrong with it. If it is literally impossible for you to get your hands on a game in a format which you can use it by legitimate means then that's about as far from a lost sale as you can get. Personally I would've bought it online after I downloaded it just to say that I did own it too, but that's just me.

I said similar things about the Syndicate ban in Australia. If it's illegal for you obtain it in any form due to arbitrary, archaic laws, then I'm not going to begrudge you for pirating it, which yields less chance of them getting caught than trying to get something through customs.

LiquidSolstice:

Kahunaburger:

LiquidSolstice:

A strawman is a strawman. I'm surprised that even a picture wasn't enough to clarify this to you.

Maybe I need to explain, before you do the usual forum response of "omg troll". If we were arguing about piracy as a whole, I'd lend what you say to have credence. Otherwise, what you are doing is a picture perfect definition of attacking a strawman.

No, I'm pointing out that basically everyone in this country violates intellectual property on a pretty regular basis, and implying that perhaps some people (particularly on this site, for some reason) respond to software piracy as if this were not the case.

...I don't get why you don't think you're attacking a strawman. It doesn't matter what everyone in this country does (not that it makes it right), we're talking about whether or not in this instance, concerning a regionally distributed (or undistributed, as it were) game, it's justified/legal.

As clever as you might have thought you were being, that logic isn't required in this thread.

You still appear to be missing the point. And the irony of misinterpreting someone else's argument to accuse them of strawmanning.

Sansha:

Da Orky Man:

Sansha:
For fuck's sake.
Pirating is stealing. There's no grey area, excuses or whatever else. You took something you should have paid for in the most convoluted way possible, with whatever excuses as 'I wouldn't have paid for it anyway' and 'It's not stealing because it's not a physical item', without paying.

The bottom line is you stole something. What part of this confuses you?

Dude, piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing. At least get your definitions right.

Making a deliberate effort to acquire for free something you should be paying for sounds like stealing to me.

Well, it isn't. Stealing is 'The deliberate act of taking another person's possesions without their permission'. Since piracy includes no taking of possesions, but rather download a file that you aren't allowed to under copyright law, it is therefore copyright infringement.

Tanakh:

CrystalShadow:
How about games that have never been released at all? Anywhere?

For me is still very easy to answer, same as a released game pirating.

If the game is done by a big company then it's copyrighted before launch, this is just a regular pirate buisness and happens here and there (Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, Ghostbusters, starfox 2). From a legal PoV it's irrelevant if it was released or not, from a moral one you are still taking a copy of the work of another person, a work you consider valuable and they too, without giving a dime, so for me it's the same.

And and the translation point is moot, to apply the english patch you don't require the game to be pirated, you just require the game to be a ROM in your computer.

Edit: Anyway, OP probably decided just to pirate the game, that's what i would have done when i was the average age demographics of this forum, so... this thread is kinda pointless now :P

Yes, but a ROM image is illegal under several variations of copyright law.

The argument that it's OK if you own the actual game is actually not true in most cases.

(It's copyright law, after all. This implies you shouldn't have extra copies)

As to unreleased games, Star Fox 2 is an unusual example because it was never released at all. (The version floating around the internet was released 4-5 years at least after the game would've been released if it had been.)

Getting a pre-release build of something that did end up being sold is a different question. (For instance Crysis 2 and Gears of war 3 did end up being released.)

Still, the legal answer to this is not that complicated.

I guess my problem is I don't agree with the logic behind the modern idea of copyright. (IE, 'intellectual property'.)

But whatever. Disagreeing with the ideals that inform our laws doesn't help much.
You'd be able to argue that point if the laws were created in a politically biased manner that is vastly out of line with what the general public thinks is right.
But that's probably not the case. (If nothing else, due to the effects of decades or even centuries of propaganda.)

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